Garden Plain vs. Hesston
Oct. 20, 2007 @ 12:21 a.m. by JoannaThis is a likely matchup in the Class 3A playoffs, and here’s a little insight offered from Collegiate coach Bill Messamore, whose team has been beaten by both.
“It’s interesting because I was thinking of the comparison between Hesston and (Garden Plain). I know it’s a probable matchup. I think Hesston is very, very physical, and I think the speed of Garden Plain is just amazing. I think (Logan) Dold is the best running back I’ve seen since (Banks) Floodman (an All-State back in 2000 from Collegiate).”
October 20th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Wow, that is some amazing insight. Judging by the Collegiate coach both teams are going to win this game.
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October 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 am
Garden Plain is going to win hands down Logan Dold is unstoppable both on the defense and offense and garden plain has to many weapons on both sides to be stopped
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October 22nd, 2007 at 2:09 pm
If history is any factor, Garden Plain dominates the lesser teams it plays, but when they are up against equal teams, they get out coached. It has been that way all the way back to the 70’s when GP has had some great teams that were out coached, 77 comes to mind and last year also. Hesston gave them a game last year and if they have a passing game with a good line, they will have a great chance to upset the Owls. Stop Dold, you stop GP.
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October 22nd, 2007 at 2:10 pm
They are both lucky they aren’t in 2A, the little school, Smith Center would clean their clocks.
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October 23rd, 2007 at 6:39 am
OH NO! look out for Smith Center. We’re just sooo lucky that nobody has to play them. After all, they are the greatest team EVER!
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October 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 am
I wont take anything away from Smith Center’s talent. Just keep it amoungst yourselves and keep playing in your small class.
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October 23rd, 2007 at 9:12 am
Garden Plain’s offense vs. the Hesston Defense that is the real fight that will determine the winner. Like the guy said stop Dold you stop Garden Plain
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October 23rd, 2007 at 9:31 am
Man, Garden Plain’s Logan Dold is gonna run all over Hesstons defense. I think that they will be one of the toughest defenses that they’ve gone up against, but to Dold, it wont matter. If the GP’s lineman can handle Hesston. Which shouldn’t be a problem.
The Garden Plain Owls? Psssh. Should be called The Garden Plain Dold.
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October 23rd, 2007 at 12:41 pm
Nice, blame the coaches! yes coaches make the decisions, but the kids have to play the game. I think the days of yester year have more to do with the style of offense and the ability and inteligence of the players that a coach gets to play. Great example is Wichita East. Good Coaches, Good Players, but things just aren’t going to work out this year.
As far as Hesston and Garden Plain goes, get there early if you want to see this one. It’ll be a dandy. My fear however is that neither team or coach will be able to match up with Silver Lake.
It’s fun to speculate, but these two teams have a few games to play before we get the 3A matchup that we’ll all be waiting for.
Best wishes to all teams… The playoffs are what HS Football is all about!
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October 23rd, 2007 at 12:41 pm
I think Marcus hit it pretty good. I think he meant the 77 seniors, actually 76 FB season. Probably the best GP TEAM ever. They didn’t depend on one guy like now and they truly got outcoached on that bitterly cold day. It appeared they got outcoached last year in the finals too. With all the emphasis on athletics in GP, one might think they would go outside the local families for their coaching. It seems there is a historical void at crunch time for GP.
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October 23rd, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Are you crazy? GP went outside for a coach when they hired the coach they had before Puetz. He practically destroyed the program in one year. They went back to a local guy to bring back the work ethic and pride that was quickly slipping away. The coach from the 76 season was not from GP.
If you truly think this is a one dimensional team, you will be in for many surprises. Dold may be the man, but he does not block for himself or pass to himself. Watch for GP to keep on working hard and methodically in pursuit of that elusive state championship.
This is a TEAM and they all have one goal in mind…winning a state championship.
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October 23rd, 2007 at 1:51 pm
After reading the banter, it brings to light that Andale had a coach by the same name, his dad I believe, and we had some pretty good teams over the years, but now that we have someone not related to everyone in town and well, let’s see, reigning 4A State Champs!
Enough said
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October 23rd, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Hesston doesn’t know what their in for, if they get that far. As for the Indian, Dold could lead the Owls over your team too. Dold is so fast and quick, he could run around and through most 5A and 6A schools, including the mighty City League, so a measley 4A school would be nothing. Other than Hutch, GP is probably the 2nd best team in this state!!! Dold will probably be starting as a KState Wildcat next fall. Read it and weep - 3A State Champion - Logan Dold and the GP Owls.
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October 24th, 2007 at 9:17 am
Easy on the Garden Plain “the best team in the state” talk. They are very, VERY good. But I don’t know that they have the big folks to handle some of the bigger 4, 5 or 6A teams. Heck, they had a tooth and nail fight with Hesston last year and I anticipate the same this year. Hesston brings a different game to the table than any other team GP has faced. GP has a very good opportunity to win, but it will be a fight. It’s just too bad this game couldn’t happen in sub-state.
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October 24th, 2007 at 9:21 am
You can hardly call this a match up. Its more like a practice run for Garden Plain. Hesston has been practice all year to beat GP, but they are just gonna get creamed just like everyone else. This is just a little bump in the road on the way to play Silver Lake.
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October 24th, 2007 at 9:42 am
This game will be a low scoring one because of the style of play of Hesston. They will run the ball, milk the clock down and limit possessions for Garden Plain. The last 2 years it has been that way. This will be a different game for Garden Plain. They have not played a physical team like this all year. They have played decent passing teams but not a team that will run right at them like Hesston will do. This could be an interesting game if Hesston gets up early. However, look for good GP to come out on top, but it will be hard faught.
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October 24th, 2007 at 12:13 pm
GP is not just a team of one. There are 10 others. Hesston might think that they have been working on GP all season- just like GP has been working on a Championship all season. One game does not make a season. It can end it. Just like GP has done over the last two years with Hesston. Hesston is a worthy opponent. There slow style of ball will be their acchllies heel. GP will jump out front and stay there. Hesston will be behind and get further behind as the game progresses. That is what hurt GP last year against SL. That’s all changed. You will see a game.
SL beat someone 90-? They are playing some stiff competition.
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October 24th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Year of the Owl said, “…. Dold is so fast and quick, he could run around and through most 5A and 6A schools, including the mighty City League, so a measley 4A school would be nothing. Other than Hutch, GP is probably the 2nd best team in this state!!!
WOW! Take a breath! GP is a get up on you early, grind you down and kick your butt team. They do not play from behind very well, but not many team do. GP can throw the ball, but before the season started they weren’t very confident in who their starter was going to be. Heck, I like Dold in the gun and let him do his magic.
BTW here’s my TOP 5 in KS:
HUTCH
MAC
Great Bend
Bishop Carroll
Heights
Don’t think that Smith center wouldn’t give GP a test though. That would be a great contest.
Year of the Owl said, “Dold will probably be starting as a KState Wildcat next fall.”
Let’s just hope for Mr. Dold’ sake that he stays healthy and take a look at K-State’s roster… Not too many TRUE FRESHMEN starting. My guess is he may be a redshirt and then we’ll see what happens after that. (maybe like they did with HOULIK)
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October 24th, 2007 at 12:19 pm
All very interesting comments in the blog. I find it interesting that people are bashing Hesston and that it will be an easy potential game for GP. Both teams are undefeated and ranked #2 and #3 in class 3A. The last 2 years these teams have met in the playoffs and they have been close, hard fought games. Both teams are good and have multiple players that that factor into the equation. It will be a defensive battle with the team with the least amount of turnovers and mistakes coming out on top. But, I will tell you, beware of the Mean Machine. It is rolling up and they are prepared, so don’t be suprised to see the Swathers come out on top if this game indeed takes place.
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October 24th, 2007 at 12:23 pm
Just to clarify and remember something from the past. Smith Center is a very good team and they have a great program, BUT, it was only a few years ago they were among the 3A class and got beat in the playoffs by the Swathers themselves in Smith Center.
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October 24th, 2007 at 12:40 pm
SL beat Mclouth 90-14. I guarantee SL played a better team than Bluestem. SL does not exhibit class to beat a team that bad. GP could do that, but they wont. GP continually pulls their starters by half. I’ve even seen them kick field goals on 3rd down, take a knee on a kick return to allow underclassmen to work on offense.
Hesston will be an exciting game to attend. Good luck to both. GP wont be taking anybody lightly. GP has Bluestem tomorrow. Thats who they are focused on. No matter the record. Winning them as they come along.
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October 24th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
I think most of the posters on this site do not have a close affiliation with the Owls. I guarantee no one closely associated with the Owls is bashing Hesston, talking smack on them or taking them lightly. YearoftheOwl and Ishmael…get a life. The Owls are more than just Logan Dold. They are a good, solid, all around team and Logan is lucky to have them as teammates.
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October 24th, 2007 at 12:47 pm
Catfan1971 Are you talking of Joseph Houlik? He is a good kid. Joe was a walk-on at KState. Dold and him chat periodically. I personally hope that Dold is red-shirted. that would assist him in a big way down the way. There is no doubt that Dold will definitely play at Kstate. The 5 year program is what I would rather see.
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October 24th, 2007 at 2:59 pm
Starters out at half - Is that why Dold had an additional 150 yards after half in a 55 first half blowout. In other words just jacking up his stats on a weak opponent.
I will be surprised if Dold ever plays for KState - There is a HUGE difference between 3A and the upper classes. Dold would be a very good player at a Pitt State, but a D1 school - No Way.
I think someone earlier said it best - Stop Dold, you stop GP.
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October 24th, 2007 at 3:04 pm
The whole Dold is GP idea is kinda far fetched. GP has a great line that allows their running back to work his magic on the field. Their #67 is a solid guy that will hit you hard and push you out of the way for Dold. I’ve played both teams and each have a great program. I still can’t see Hesston pulling the win, but if they do congrats to them that would be pretty sweet.
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October 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
“I will be surprised if Dold ever plays for KState - There is a HUGE difference between 3A and the upper classes. Dold would be a very good player at a Pitt State, but a D1 school - No Way.”-Pronkrebuttal
Is that why Jordy Nelson (3A), Ian Campbell (3A), John Houlik (3A), Tim Reyer (3A), Logan Robinson (8-man), and Trevor Viers (8-man) all had such a hard time making the adjustment? They are all currently on K-State’s depth chart.
There have been plenty of kids for both K-State and KU that have come from smaller schools in Kansas that making such a statement is asinine and ignorant. If he didn’t have the talent or potential, he would not be receiving offers in the first place.
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October 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pm
FACT Pronkrebuttal: Dold had 5 first half touchdowns. Dold had 158yds. rushing. 11 carries. ALL FIRST HALF. Against Collegiate. Questions?
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October 24th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
My point exactly — How many yards did he end up for the game - over 300? And the game before the same way. Like I said, padding the stats. I guess the argument is fruitless, but there have been some very good athletes from GP, arguably better than Dold that didn’t make D1, and some that did, thinking of Jack Fisher, who I believe tried the pros for a while. John Hoheisel is another. Both played at WSU. More recent, Tim Zoglman, a better athlete than Dold? probably - He played at Friends I believe as did some others. Even more recent, Kendall Fisher’s debacle at Utah State. All I am saying is that the playing field evens out quickly once you leave the confines of GP city limits and there will be athletes at the D1 level as fast or faster, as quick or quicker, as big or bigger, all wanting the same thing, so what he does at GP means nothing at the next level.
I wish him good luck but he has nothing to be ashamed of if he doesn’t live up to the hype.
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October 25th, 2007 at 7:46 am
I dont know what you are thinking. Those stats were 1st half. Logan did not have any carries in the 2nd half. There was no padding any stats. I guarantee that Bryce Brown would have had a lot more carries. If Jake Sharp was still in HS he would have also. Logan has consistently carried less than any premier back in the state over his career; yet still put up the numbers. Imagine what he could have had. Stick to your day job. Being a recruiter recognizes talent and potential. You apparently are blindsided because of biases. What did you not understand?
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October 25th, 2007 at 8:53 am
Let’s See:
Kingman Game - 42-0 - Still in the game - Scores - Pads Stats
Medicine Lodge - 45-0 - 4th Quarter - Still in - Pads Stats
Independent - 51-22 - Still in - 77 yd TD - Pads Stats
ETC.
Of course, he isn’t even being recruited as a RB - go figure.
Time will tell - bias has nothing to do with facts.
Big difference between 6A - 5A runners and 3A.
Darrin Seiwert is a prime example - A great 3A RB arguably as good or better than Dold with 4 State Championships I believe. Where is he now?
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October 25th, 2007 at 9:04 am
I think the blog got off track a bit - It’s not about Dold.
It’s about a game.
The beauty of football is that you play the games and hopefully the best team wins.
You can argue all kinds of things about who is better, will he ride the pine at KSU, is the rest of the team jealous of his limelight, or compare him to the past but the bottom line is that 11 kids get on each side and play football.
It’s a game.
Will it get them into heaven?
Do they take their faith as serious as a game?
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October 25th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Pronkrebuttal: Facts: Kingman 10-170, No carries 2nd half
Medicine 19-191, No carries 2nd half
Independent 16-264, 51-22 half, 159 1st half yds., 3tds., 1 carry 3rd. for 78yds.
Get your stuff straight. this is the facts. all on GP’s web page. Don’t go off half cocked spouting info. that you don’t have a clue. Stick to the facts. You’ve been served now how many times? Any other questions that I can correct you on?
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October 25th, 2007 at 12:35 pm
Seiwert is listed as a running back for lets see—KSTATE.
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October 25th, 2007 at 12:37 pm
Garden Plain is a VERY good team. They have been playing teams that have been trying to outscore them. Hesston will not use that strategy. The Swathers are a 10-minute scoring drive type of team. You know how long a 10-minute drive is in a HS football game? It’s an eternity. A couple long drives like that and the game is REALLY short. Not to mention, they play pretty stingy “D” in Swather Country. I’m not saying that GP will get dominated, but it will be a completely different breed of animal they will be facing in Hesston.
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October 25th, 2007 at 1:05 pm
If you are questioning Garden Plain’s ability to play a physical game, you are sorely mistaken of them. They can do it and did it numerously last year. Essentially this is the same team that held on to the ball and controlled the clock last year against Scott City and Hillsboro. If the need arises, they can load up in the wishbone and just pound it out. Personally, I know that Coach Puetz would rather play a game like that. However, they are trying to expand their offense and spread it out to make it more difficult for teams to match up against them. Just because they have not been in a physical game yet does not mean that they are not capable of it. I can guarantee, when the time arises, if they have to, they will be ready to pound it out on the ground and control the clock.
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October 25th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Check your stats again Pronk and maybe the game films. Witnessing the games, I guarantee Dold has had carries in the 2nd half.
Seiwert is listed as a TE and isn’t listed on the depth chart.
Your welcome for the corrections to your corrections.
Time will tell
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October 25th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Garden Plain will beat Hesston in every aspect of the game. Dold is so talented and unstoppable, they won’t know what hit them. This is all provided THEY get to the point of playing Dold and Company. Hesston hasn’t a clue what they are up against.
This is probably the best team GP has and will ever have and they are totally unstoppable - Give it Logan and watch him run.
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October 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Seiwert is on the team with Wykes. Saw them on sidelines. In the program. They both transfered from Butler.
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October 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
GP has quarter by quarter stats on their website, if you need to enlighten your errors of ommission.
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October 25th, 2007 at 10:16 pm
You GPers just aren’t getting it, or you’re too caught up in your own argument to see what I am typing. I’m not questioning anything about Garden Plain! Morons! READ WHAT I AM WRITING!!! I am saying that GP will see a completely different style of opponent than every game this year. It will be a tough switch for a team that is used to getting the ball on three and outs with 20 seconds running off the clock, as opposed to getting it after six, seven or eight plays when three or four minutes has elapsed. It changes their game plan. DO NOT expect another 50 point hammering in this one. Lay off the Kool-aid and have an objective conversation.
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October 26th, 2007 at 6:45 am
Oh we get it - but you don’tunderstand that Dold and Company are a machine and you may use 9 minutes a drive, but he scores in seconds and will. You don’t want a shooting match with us and you can have the ball most of the game, we only need it long enough for Dold to run it in the end zone from ANYWHERE.
GP 35 - 21 (If we are feeling generous)
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October 26th, 2007 at 8:07 am
Faithful, you are making a HUGE ASSumption in your post. You are ASSuming that I am a Hesston fan. I am a football fan. Believe me, Hesston doesn’t want a shooting match either and their game plan will show you as much. If both teams want to run nine minuets off the clock, great! It will be a one-and-a-half hour game and end up 17-14. That’s fine. Wow, you worshipers of the GP Idol are like talking to a wall. Yes, I get it. I get that Dold is FRIGGIN GOOD! I know this. I know GP is FRIGGIN GOOD. I think it is you guys who are vastly underestimating some of the other VERY good teams out there.
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October 26th, 2007 at 8:10 am
I played at Hesston in the 90’s. I was on the State Championship team. We beat a team in the title game, Rossville, that was “a machine” that no one wanted “a shooting match” with. They had rolled everyone up to that point and were supposed to roll us. Guess what? 3-0, Hesston. State Champs. I’m not saying that is what is going to happen with Hesston and Garden Plain, just a little reference point for all of you saying that Hesston has no chance. They are good. So is GP.
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:03 am
Hesston is a good team, as their record indicates. However you don’t think GP is scoring and holding teams to negative yards rushing because we ran around them. Hesston always plays us tough, and it will be a physical game. My question is who has Hesston played that will be as physical as GP?
Good luck to all in the playoffs and may no one get injuried.
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:26 am
Whoa, easy there! I never said that Garden Plain was going to blow-out Hesston. I said that even though they haven’t had to play a physical game yet, they will be able to, when it is needed. Obviously, the Hesston game will probably be that game, just as it has been for the past 2 years. I know Hesston is good and likes to control the clock to earn victories. However, you have to make sustained first downs to control the clock and have a 8-10 minute drive. I feel that Garden Plain is physical enough that they will not allow that to happen. Are they going to hold Hesston scoreless? Probably not, but I don’t think Hesston is going to be able to just pound it out on the ground all game long if they expect to win.
Cheney took the same thought when they played Garden Plain and tried to control the clock and shorten the game. However, they were not as good as the Hesston team that Garden Plain will see. They will do everything they can to earn the victory. There is no doubt that Garden Plain has an explosive offense and by holding on to the ball and limiting GP’s touches, Hesston is shortening the game and giving themselves a better chance. That’s simple logic, but just controlling the clock is not going to be enough to win. What I wonder is will Hesston be able to stop Garden Plain? No one that Garden Plain has played so far this year has been able to do that. They have so many formations and so many different personnel that they can put in the game, that it is extremely hard for most teams to match-up against them. However, if they are able to slow down Garden Plain’s offense, then they are giving themselves a better shot.
It should be a great game and I am looking forward to it next weekend. Hopefully both teams play well on Tuesday and it will help create an even better environment for the game next Saturday!
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October 26th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Spauly, THAT is a good objective post!! That’s what I’m talking about. Discussion; objective discussion. All the others failed to offer viable reasons, reasons apart from their undying passion for Garden Plain football, for their thoughts. Thank you for being a true fan and having the capability to discuss this from an objective standpoint.
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October 26th, 2007 at 11:36 am
I am a GP fan and this game scares the heck out of me. Hesston has given GP everything they wanted the last two years. I think GP won this game 2 years ago 20-12 with Hesston on our 4 yard line at the end of the game. Last year they took a 14-7 lead into the 4th quarter and GP made a couple big plays to come out on top. I remeber every time Hesston made a big play I would look at the program and see it was usually a sophomore making it. Hesston does play a grind it out style that matches up well against a team like GP. Hesston is always very well coached, does not make many turnovers and those kids can hit and tackle very well. Looking forward to another great game but I will give the edge to GP. Dold is the difference maker and playing at home cannot hurt.
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October 26th, 2007 at 11:44 am
Oh yeah, I forgot to ask…. Is Hesston still using the half-back pass? Not knocking it at all, but I have never seen a team that used it as much as Hesston.
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October 26th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
For those questioning Hesstons Defense, we are solid. We rotate a lot of guys into the game. The boys are quick and hit hard. We also like to play physical. As far as playing physical teams, we played Hoisington who is a good team as well, won 13-9, Smoky Valley, Hillsboro were all physical games for the Swathers. That is why I think the GP game if played (both teams have to get to next Sat.) will be one of the best games in the state this year.
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October 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
As I said 3 days ago, In a tight, hard fought contest like this is matching up to be, Garden Plain gets out coached and probably loses. Then look for the For Sale sign in Puetz’s yard because he will be losing a lot of Seniors and Dold, bringing them back to just another 3A Team kind of like Seiwert graduating from Conway.
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October 26th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
There we go, gang. Good old OBJECTIVE discussion; mentioning both teams’ positives and negatives in the same post!! That is how you base a post. Not just, “because they will.”
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October 26th, 2007 at 5:15 pm
Tommy2Gloves - in response to your question, “Oh yeah, I forgot to ask…. Is Hesston still using the half-back pass? Not knocking it at all, but I have never seen a team that used it as much as Hesston.”
Yes, they do still run it some, but not as much this year. The QB they have this year is a better passer than in the past couple of years. In the past, it was done as much because of need as it was a gimmick.
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October 26th, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Marcus the cupboard is not bare in GP. Besides Coach Puetz would not have to move after winning 3a.;-) It is true however we will see a drop at the tailback position. But there are still alot of kids with talent out on the practice field at GP.
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October 26th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
All the “Garden Plain will dominate” and “Hesston doesn’t stand a chance” posts amuse me. Did you people not see the games between Hesston and Garden Plain the last couple of years? Have you forgotten how close they were? I was at both, and they were great football games! I don’t care who you were cheering for, they were fun games to watch.
I haven’t seen Garden Plain play this year, but I have seen Hesston play. They are even better than the last couple of years. They’re everybit as physical as in past years, but this year they’re deeper and their team speed will surprise you. The biggest difference is they have a decent passing game this year (more than just the halfback passes). The Owls may be better this year than last, but so are the Swathers.
I hope this matchup takes place again this year. If it does, I sincerely believe it very well could be the game of the year in 3A! If you’re a fan of High School football, plan to be there…you won’t be sorry.
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October 26th, 2007 at 5:36 pm
Anyone who thinks that GP will be done after Dold and this years seniors graduate, could be in for a rude awakening. There is a wide spectrum of talent in the sophmore and junior classes. The only reason some of these kids aren’t playing now is because of the influx of seniors. I hope GP’s competition for next year IS looking past them. As far as the Hesston game goes, I can’t help but believe GP will come out on top barring injuries. But Hesston comes to play football and by now they should have a huge chip on their shoulder. You can line up all the x’s and o’s, talk about all the coaching and star players, but in the end it will depend on who’s willing to leave everything they have on the field.
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Alright, GP vs. Hesston in the 2nd round! Here’s to seeding these playoffs every year! Anyway though, I don’t know a whole lot about GP, they are obviously good and they have a tremendous back.
I do know that Hesston lost a close one to them last year and I also know that Hesston is better this year. The Swathers are simply a better team than they were last year. They returned nearly everyone and the proof is in the scores. Last year, Smoky Valley went on the road and won in Hesston. This year, Hesston went and beat an equally good Smoky Valley team (8-1) in Lindsborg by three touchdowns. This is the best Hesston team for a while, straight from the mouth of Smoky’s coach.
Also, with all due respect to Cheney, Bell Plaine, Collegiate (way down), Bluestem and whoever else, Hesston has won on the road at one pretty good team (Smoky) and one really good team (Hoisington-don’t forgot about this team in 3A, they have a good back of they’re own).
My pick is Hesston this time in a nail-biter. They have been tested in the MCAA and GP hasn’t seen a TEAM like this all year. I would love to be there though.
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October 26th, 2007 at 9:29 pm
I just read something KSU95 wrote, “Who has Hesston played that is physical!?” Ah…Hoisington. You don’t know about them because they are not around Wichita, but they’re good. They are a team GP or Hesston will probably run into later on.
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October 27th, 2007 at 8:52 am
Smokyman I have seen Hoisington play. I don’t believe they were all that great. Once again they are a good team. When I saw them they were not that fast and I didn’t see the physical type of football you have been talking about.
Now before all you Swathers jump on this, I am only stating my opinion of what I have seen thus far this year. You all have a right to your opinion as well. But we should know more about all these teams very soon.
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October 29th, 2007 at 9:03 am
4 undefeated teams in 3A. Silver Lake will breeze to finals, the other 3 will fight each other to get to the semis. How fair is that?
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October 29th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
The best team will win in the end.
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October 29th, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Have been out of the area for quite a few years, caught the Hesston game last year and it sounds like this year is shaping up to be the same slugfest. Wish I could make it back for that one. GO OWLS.
I realized that opinions are like sphincters…everyone has one. What I didn’t realize is how many people use their sphincter for communication. “MARCUS” is likely not from GP as all I hear from home is what a good job Puetz does with the team, kids, and program. To cast disperaging remarks about the coach is truely classless, likely based in jealousy. Also, to “ALUM” and “INDIAN”, suggesting a better coach could be gotten from outside the community? Bring in the resumes. I think I heard since being head coach that Puetz has only lost 2 or 3 games that were not to eventual state champions. Pretty good run, a lot of teams would like that position. Sure, they not have won it all (yet), but there is no doubt he is successful. Lastly, what is the possible connection to Andale getting it’s FIRST and ONLY state championship last year and Puetzes dad coaching at Andale like 40 years ago (not even sure he was a head coach)? Sounds like you three (or maybe 3 in 1) have whistle envy!!
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October 29th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
well u see dold is the ultimate baddass. so look out hesston
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October 29th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
garden plain has a big line starting with that cape kid #64 i think he is solid on the weak side
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October 29th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
On the contrary GPAlum, been in the area my whole life, played there, watched my kids play there, and will hopefully see grandkids play there. I was merely commenting on the previous posts and it got me thinking about the amount of talent GP has had over the years and just never seems to get it done in football. They have been pretty successful in the other sports over the years and hopefully the tradition will continue. I don’t think they won their first State Championship in anything until the early 70’s. I know it takes talent and luck to win it all.
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October 29th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
How about we wait until Wednesday and if the matchup comes to fruition, let the “hooting” begin.
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October 29th, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Alum - never said you weren’t from GP, was talking about “MARCUS”. My comment to you was more directed at the “…one might think they would go outside the local families for their coaching. It seems there is a historical void at crunch time for GP.” comment. My point was why would it matter if the coach is successful? Not sure what you meant by “historical void” wither, but don’t really want to debate it. I like seeing the success and will leave it at that.
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October 29th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Me Too - maybe a little frustration without a football championship.
Not sure what Andale has to do with it either - even a blind hog finds a acorn now and then.
Marcus must of rode the pine.
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:16 am
HARRYJOHNOSON—- Dold is a good player, but, why would Hesston need to watch out if we see that matchup Sat. ? These boys have played against him the last 2 years and believe me they are no where afraid of him. Not 2 years ago, not last year, and certainly not this year. They do respect him and the whole GP team though. They are playing one game at a time and preparing accordingly. If Sat. game does show itself there will be 2 really good teams clashing to move on in the 3A playoffs.
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October 30th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
Hesston is a good team. GP is a good team. There is no place for any disrespect either way. If Championships were easy, everybody would have one under their belts. GP has had the lions share of championships in other sports. Football has just eluded them. It will eventually come. I wish the best for both teams and hope to see a good clean game with no injuries. Hope both teams can walk off the field holding their heads high.
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October 30th, 2007 at 5:29 pm
The Banter is fun and the key here is for all to realize that the game is played on the field. Weird things can happen in the playoffs and the best teams at times are not the best teams on that given night.
Hesston and GP will bring their A-games to every contest they play in. Each school has tremendous pride and loyalty. It was not long ago that thes two tradition rich schools played inthe regular season.
I’d like to see Silver Lake make a trip to central kansas in the regular season or at a neutral site and play one GP or Hesston, not just in the playoffs.
Here’s to hoping the best for all schools tonight (Tues) and that everyone stays healthy and if it is meant to be…. Hesston and Garden Plain on Saturday Nov. 3 (does anyone know who gets to host?) Both hesstons and GP’s fields are torn up pretty good. Maybe a game at Goddard if GP gets to host and maybe a game at Bethel’s stadium if Hesston gets to host????
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October 31st, 2007 at 3:25 pm
DOLD all the way baby
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November 1st, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Well, these posts are very good and some very very insigtful. i’ve seen both teams play and while Garden Plain has a quick strike trounce you in the ground style of offense, Hesston has the speed to reduce the 55 yd touchdowns to a 5 or 6 yard gain. Hesston is not as one demintional as GP, while GP defense looks a bit stronger than Hesston’s.
Garden plain seems quite a bit weaker at QB unless Dold is in there. The Puetz nephew QB experiment will cost them in synergy and a down field passing attack, ala the Douglas game.
Hesston has a solid defense and solid offense but just doesn’t seem to be able to match up with the strength of GP…. Smash mouth football.
I would expect a very close 4th quarter game with GP squeeking it out unless their trend of on field mistakes give Hesston the upper hand and they make GP pay for complacency…..
I will be at the game impartially, just to watch a great, well played clean game.
It’s too bad they are meeting this early in the playoffs, I would have loved to see them in the quarters…..
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November 2nd, 2007 at 9:29 am
seenbothteams,
Noticed you posted on each thread, so I thought I should respond to both…
just wondering if the GP/Douglas game is the only one you observed. If this is the only game in which you draw your conclusion concerning GP’s quarterback, then you will be quite surprised at how far this young man (a junior) has matured at this position. At the Douglas game he played as if it was his very first varsity start. Oh wait, it was.
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November 2nd, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Hesston will kill Dold. GP is going to be beat for the first time and it is about time. My prediction is Hesston 28 Garden Plain 7.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Dold Wrangler, I wouldn’t get your hopes up. I will not deny that Hesston is a good team, but so is GP. Hesston beat Collegiate by only 20 points. Garden Plain beat Collegiate by 63 points. So do you really think that Hesston is the better team? I agree that this will be a very tough game and it is a pity that they don’t meet at sub-state instead of now. And I don’t think that Hesston will kill Dold as you think. And if they did, GP is more than just Dold. Yes, he is a very key player in games, but he can’t do it all by himself. This will be a very interesting game.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 1:43 pm
Both teams are good, and it will be a hard game for both sides of the ball. I am a fan for Hesston, but I realize that Dold is a good runningback and that he is not their team’s only asset. They will rely on Dold much of the game and we will try to keep the ball. Everyone knows these facts, and it’s not a contest of the score now, it’s which team will play harder.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 9:23 pm
Oh yeah!!!!! GP beat Hesston 42-0!!! Garden Plain owned Hesston big time baby!!!!!!
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