Yes

we wanna see that tape of him goin off

I played college basketball for the winningest coach in Iowa history, a man by the name of Ray Nacke at Briar Cliff College. Coach Nacke was recently inducted into the NAIA Hall of Fame. He was known as a firey coach–some called him a madman–who drew technicals, was theatrical on the bench and even more so at practice. In my four years at BC, we had four players drafted into the NBA (1977-1981).

Never ONCE did we ever har Coach Nacke utter a profanity. “Garsh darnnit” was as spicy as it got. Coaches who resort to expletives on a regular basis reveal themselves as uncreative and frankly, ridiculous. They also lower the bar for their players and give a bad name to sportsmanship and sports as a metaphor for life. Shame on your Coach Dreiling!

Just another example of the softening of america. Whaaa Whaaa. Suck it people.

I agree with most of you, especially with you ProuDAd. I to am a proud Father and have never degraded, name called, demeaned or intimidated my son or other children in any manner. I am their example. I have told my son, whether he knows it or not, he is someone’s role model. Somebody looks at him as an example, someone he doesnt even know, he must always attempt to control his actions, and reactions at all times. Sometimes we all fall short of what our intentions are, but most importantly we must learn from them. Repeat offenders of continual brow beating need to have their emotions put in check, and to never ever take your temper out on young teenage boys. When you do, guess what happens when they leave. They take it home to family, friends and society because someone who they more than like respect, does it to them!

I think it comes down to the context of how it is used. I would rather my child hear a few cuss words, than the coach telling him/her they are an idiot, or giving them hope/promises they never intend to keep—”lip service” can do more damage than a kid hearing some bad words.

Sometimes I don’t know if coaches realize what an influence they are in the lives of their players.

SEC Fan,

Where do we draw the line? Are you okay with your coaches smacking players around a little bit. Shouldn’t be a big deal. Kids should just tougen up; shake it off. Right?
C’mon!
There is a time and place for almost everything. A school setting, whether academic or athletic is no place for profanity. Do accidents happen? Absolutely. We all make a few. But, as someone posted, I would hope that coach/supervisor would apologize for their accident and feel remorseful for their poor example. Blatant and continued use of profanity should not be tolerated.

I seriously don’t know when people starting getting so sensitive. Some coaches cuss, deal with it or don’t play. Don’t let his language bother you, he’s still teaching you. Focus on the lesson.

These holier than thou jerks need to get a grip. Why pretend the world is all sunshine and rainbows? You ever watch the news? In real life, people curse. Does that make them bad people or ill-equipped to coach? HELL NO. whoops… hech no.

But then again Coach Dreiling, this is the bible belt… maybe you’re better off somewhere else where they’ll appreciate you for a coach.

Personally, I’d bet that this whole issue arises from a parent of a kid who doesn’t start. More politics than anything else.

honestly i dont think is that big of a deal if he would have had a few words slip..i mean everybody has that happen once in a while

but to say it over and over and over..thats a whole other thing

yes dreiling is a great coach..but he should still be getting punished for it..and from what it sounds like so far..it doesnt look like thats gonna happen

anybody have anymore info on this.. i mean if the school board is doing anything about it?

I don’t know that swearing is the real issue with Dreiling. I think the issue is that he seems to display a blatant disregard for his players, especially those that are not top notch.

Yes, swearing coaches are a part of sports. Is it acceptable? How can we possibly say “no” when our culture is emmersed (sp?) in “accepted” behaviors that were once (in the not-so-distant past) considered taboo?

To change this aspect of our culture, the entire cultural concept must be altered. C’mon people. Let’s get real. Our kids hear that much on the dadgum news anymore. We can’t turn on the radio, TV or your kid’s iPod without hearing that stuff.

True, Coach Dreiling is probably gone a bit beyond too far. But if you think about it, we all have a share in this. We’ve allowed our culture to digress into a place of which, quite frankly, we shouldn’t be proud.

Should coaches cuss? Should anyone? If it is allowed by everyone else in society, why should coaches be any different? Save me the “it’s their job to be of the highest moral standard.” Their job is to teach the kids the game of football. Not worry about hurting feelings.

as an official, we are instructed by the state that any time a player or a coach directs offensive language or curse words in our direction, we are to penalize them whether it’s with a flag or with a ‘T’. if kids (and coaches) are expected to be able to restrain themselves on the field or court in the heat of battle, then why should we expect any differently of them in practice? i believe the phrase goes that you ‘play how you practice’ or something to that effect. i know i certainly would not be allowed to officiate if i used curse words during a game, so i don’t exactly buy into the ‘cursing is a part of life’ arguement. if it wasn’t considered unacceptable, there wouldn’t be a penalty for it!

It’s interesting to see the comments of the pro-profanity group. “Grow up”, “Waaaa”, “Suck it up”, “Get a grip”, and swear words thrown in just for spite. Their own arguments don’t hold up, so they start insulting their opponents with playground taunts. They don’t want us imposing our values on them, but they insist on the right to impose their vulgarities on others, and on others’ kids.

“Just a part of life”? True, but why should those with higher moral standards always cave to the lowest common denominator? Should we not expect and demand better, especially where our kids are concerned? I can’t believe you would suggest that a family should move to another town to escape profanity-laced tirades from an authority figure, rather than expect the administration to hold teachers accountable to common standards of decency.

The kids just want to play ball. It is ludicruos to suggest that they quit rather than to hold the coaches accountable to a standard expected of all other teachers (and players). What is that teaching them? Punish the villian, not the victim.

Murder is a part of life, therefore it shouldn’t be wrong.

Rape is part of life, so it shouldn’t be wrong.

Assault is a part of life (at least in the hood), so it shouldn’t be wrong.

Now, I realize that cussing is not nearly as bad as the others, but still, just because something is “part of life” doesn’t mean we should just accept it.

Many people also have several drinks before heading out to the game too. Thats allright because everybody does it, right.

There is a difference between yelling and swearing at a kid. I always tell people around me to listen to what he is saying, not how loud he is saying it.

And like everyone says, this happened in June, he was supposed to have been repremanded for it, so lets get on with the season. Hutch administrators will handle it, and they will be accountable to their voters for how it is done when it comes time to elect board menbers and renew contracts one way or the other.

Well said ECF. Coaching is probably one of the most stressful positions to be in. They have their classroom responsiblities, family responsiblities, stress from the administration to produce on the field, the hang man’s noose hoovering over ever move all determined on the win/lose record… Parental involvement that traditionally is negative at best. I say give the guy a break and at most give him some verbal/written warning. Many guys I work with swear more with less stress than these coaches.

Just curious, but does anyone even care if it bothers the kids? I’m guessing it probably doesn’t. I’d venture to say if they let something like a few words bother them, they’re not mentally ready to compete. How will they fare against bigger athletes? Against scarier, rougher players?

Eh… I just think some people are too self-righteous to realize that Dreiling isn’t the villian. Dreiling is doing his job the best way he knows how. So either accept it or not. Someone will be happy to have him.

In management studies classes, they teach that there are many different styles of management. Some are hands-on some are hands-off. Some motivate with fear and some motivate with support. Coaches are no different. Some coach with more of a fatherly figure approach, some coach as a dictator. Bottom line is, he’s got to get the job done, or he’s out on his ass. So that’s what he is trying to do.

The appropriate thing to do here is for the school to ask him to tone it back a bit. Tell him some are uncomfortable with the language. I don’t know if he’d be accomodating at all, but it’s worth a try.

One other point…Do you think the bus has been dirty on any of the road trips this season??? HELL NO. How often do you think that Dreiling actually has to do this sort of thing…NOT VERY OFTEN. The players make sure they have all of their stuff taken care of so they don’t have to go through a Dreiling toungue lashing.

I was on teams that the coach complained about a dirty bus after every trip…(He was nice to us though:)

I found it funny when on the post-game show, Rusty Hilst thanked Dreiling for helping a player get to calculus class on time, saying “he hasn’t been late since I told you about it”.

Is it more damaging to a player’s confidence to get 1 intense toungue lashing that makes an imprint in their mind to never make that mistake again, or is it worse for the player to not take “Mr. Nice Coaches” classroom appropriate suggestion to do the right thing, and he just keeps messing up. I guarantee you that Dreiling’s style has kept some kids out of prison. I can assure you that Dreiling’s work ethic has rubbed off on many of his players. His attention to details approach is something that his players can learn from as well.

A coach should absolutely NOT use profanity in front of his players. An adult swearing and yelling is the sign of a person who has lost control.

Bottom line, if Dreiling’s 3-6, he’s fired.

Four state titles, no big deal.

If you were brought up with profanity evident every day you may think it is no big deal. However most of us were raised that “profanity is an outward display of stupidity”. When you think about that statement it is very true. An intelligent individual will find the words to get across whatever he wants without the profanity. As far as Coach Dreiling goes he is what he is. But to rant like this with that many words of profanity because a bus wasn’t cleaned to his liking? My goodness what happens If a player fumbles the ball during a game? As someone else already said the playing field is also a classroom. If Hutch allows this to go with just a minimal punishment they had better never discipline any teacher in their system. I heard Terrel Benton this week excuse this action because “everyone does it”. Well Terrel everyone doesn’t use profanity and shame on you for throwing Randy Smithson and Lonnie Lollar under the bus like you did.

One thing i forgot to mention on my earlier post. A close relative of mine went through the losing seasons at Bluestem. His three sons did not win a game at the Varsity level for over 5 years. Still, they played because they enjoyed the game. However, during those years and a few different head coaches their was a few problems. You see, this relative did not swear in any manner to his Boys, and would not tolerate NO-ONE swearing at them on the field, especially another adult, coach or no coach. As fate would have it, sure enough he had to warn one of the Coaches over those 5 years about cussing his boys. He warned him a second time, the third time he marched to the practice field the following day, walked up to the Head Coach and Jack-Slapped him……..to the ground! Thank God he did not have a closed fist, this man is big, real big. Sure he was reprimanded by the BOE of Bluestem………mmmm……..the coach never ever cussed his sons again. Maybe others, but not his! Was it right, i dont think so, but it shows that all the so called parents of the Bible Belt can also lose their temper.

Dreiling may yell and cuss at his players but he will not allow anyone else too. The reason his players put up with it is because they know he has their back and will not let anyone disrespect them or their program. I am sure it was over the top but Hutchinson runs their program like a college program, not like a high school program, and this language happens all the time at the next level. I hope no one’s kid on here gets recruited by gene stephenson, because dreiling is a saint compared to gene. Throwing Smithson under the bus? Randy Smithson would not only cuss one of his players out he would let his assistants challenge them to a fight. Smithson and his dad would drop f-bombs during a recruiting trip to your house. All you Hutchinson haters will have to find another way to beat Hutch besides getting Dreiling fired.

I’ve witnessed this guys antics first hand. I remember being at Pitt. State football camp three or four years ago, and asking a kid on the Hutch team, “Do you like playing for your Coach?”. Kid responded, “He’s my dad, of course I do.” I’ve never seen a coach with a mouth like that in high school football. It certainly doesn’t feel good when you get your butt ripped by a coach, but when such profanity is used, it really demeans the person. The goal of a high school coach should be to be able to produce young men who will later be successful in life. I just can’t see it with these coaching antics. Get fired up and be competitive, but in no way does it have to be with profanity. I play for one of the greatest coaches at Wofford College, in Coach Mike Ayers. He’s got more fire as a football coach than I’ve ever seen in my life, but I’ve never seen a cuss word from his mouth. He understands how to reach the kids without profanity, and make them really want to play the great game of football.

I’m not debating the fact that many coaches do cuss. As a current player, it doesn’t make me play any harder if I have a coach cuss at me, but hey that’s just me. I’d much rather have a Coach get on my butt without using profanity. Most players that hear that kind of language are just going to tune it out, and not even listen. What’s the point then? The Coach is not even being listened to. I’m just going to say that I think the best way to reach kids is by motivating them in a positive way and not undermining them.

Interesting topic..got a lot of responses. I wonder what would happen to the Hutch girls basketball coach if he/she cussed out the team. Or what would you parents that don’t mind the coaches cussing at the kids do if it wasn’t a coach but their boss at their after school job doing the cussing? Then is it ok?

I always say that I figure the kids probably hear cursing enough at home and school that they don’t need to hear it from me. I think that it shows respect. I wonder if Dreiling would cuss one of those kids’ fathers like that?

I am truly amazed at some of the comments here. Particularly the ones who justify Dreiling’s behavior because “the kids hear it in the halls.”

So let me get this straight. We’re expected to lower the standard for a teacher/coach, who is supposed to be a role model, to that of a bunch of immature kids? Do you as parents hold yourself to the same low standards?

And what is with the use of college coach behavior as a benchmark? They are coaching ADULTS who are attending school entirely by choice. In high school, they are mostly MINORS who, while playing football is a choice, are in school because it’s required.

There are plenty of places in the real world where use of profanity, particularly the vulgar kind, is either frowned upon or simply not allowed. It is no wonder our society continues it’s slide into the gutter.

PanFan, your story is the EXACT reason why parents should not be allowed anywhere near the playing field. I would have pressed criminal charges against that psychopath.

Hey ks07;

You dont know the Hutch girls basketball coach do you, he is a bigger idiot then their football coach…….

Sports Gal-

The reason that you’re just hearing about it now is that it’s not a big deal inside the program. Dreiling has 100% support from those inside the program, and those are the folks who count.

This only became a big deal when the clip was anonymously sent to the Hutch News (by someone who’s no longer in the program). Then a bunch of people who’ve never been chewed out before starting crying about how they don’t talk to their kids at home like this. (Of course, at home, parents aren’t training young men to go out and play an extremely violent and dangerous team sport…mommy’s at home don’t understand)

TFL – let’s not oversell high school football.

War is extremely violent and dangerous. Football, not so much. :)

What we are really talking about here is a means to an end. The question? How do we motivate an athlete? Curse at him/her? Make them feel like a piece of dog doo doo? Why do coaches and comedians have to reach for the shock value in their attempts to stimulate their audiences?

Do we allow a Math Teacher to curse at the student for not having the right formula to solve the problem? Do teachers walk up and down the halls swearing at their students in order to motivate them to get to class on time? I don’t think we allow that kind of behavior from our teachers who attempt to motivate academic excellence. Do we?

Then, why do we allow it from our coaches who are motivating our students to athletic excellence? I have participated in high school football, basketball, and track. I had the privilege of participating in college football and track. I NEVER respected a coach who swore at me. I ALWAYS respected a coach who verbally “kicked me in the B____”. I knew he was angry. But, I also knew that he was using a means to an end goal of making me a better athlete and not breaking my spirit.

May the cursing cease!

Larry Staton
Wichita, Kansas

I think that is a representation of the person you are on whether or not you are cussing at the children. Coaches ARE role models to our young men. And you can get your point across without using that language.

Why should we “settle” for allowing it because society deems it as not offensive? It is time that we as parents, and as Christians, stand up for what is RIGHT and not what is okay and acceptable to the outside.

As far as whether or not you can have a “winning” team. . . there are many definitions of a “winning” team. Sometimes winning is how these young men turn out into society. But even along traditional definition, South Haven seems to have a “winning” record in years past with a man coaching that does not by rule cuss at the guys.

What a bunch of crybabies. You remind of the church going hyprocrits who preach perfection and then go out and do the opposite in their own lives. Some coaches use profanity that’s the way it is. Some people do as well. If you don’t want your kid to play for that coach change schools but you might want to ask your kid first. Oh wait he’ll probably not want to play for the coach since you’ve turned him into a mamby pamby crybaby by coddling him for his entire life. Give me a break.

I was just wondering Nick, which church did you go to that taught perfection cause I cant think of a belief system which includes the aspect of being perfect, but I would like to know where you got that idea

OKa FBallfn i understand where your coming from but whos to say that those parents want underage drinkning? this is an issue a parent can force a change on by talking to the coach or administration or moving their kid, issues such as underage drinking and racism the parent is usually not able to take a phyiscal action to stop. Everyone has issues, but do you see it hypocritical when someone whos uncle is in Iraq is against military presence in Iraq? Seems like since they are involved they should support it right? not really. I may struggle with cussing or drinkning but that doesnt mean I want others to take part in it. I want others to realize that it is a mistake and wrong but that doesnt mean i dont struggle to stay “clean” of it myself.

My 50 cents are this: It isn’t the worst thing a kid can be exposed to, but when you get right down to the root of it, it isn’t necessary as proven by coaches such as Steve Eck or Coach Bartow (at Smith Center). I’m not saying they have never cussed ever in their lives, but it’s definitely not a prevelant situation.

I have hear various people comment on this on radio shows in town, how it’s not a big deal… we are “making men”. I can tell you from experiece that taking the “sports mentality” into the work place is a darned good way to get fired. You can’t yell at your subbordinates to motivate them. You can’t cuss at your boss or co-workers and expect to get positive resluts. Yelling/Cussing someone out in the work place is a recipe for failure.

Take a sales or customer service job for instance: How is it the employee is going to be able to put on a good face for customers after taking a butt chewing, cuss filled tirade. In sports, you can go out and hit someone harder (FB), throw and swing harder (BSB), vent your aggressions, but it doesn’t work in life, and it’s been proven that coaches can be successfull without cussing/abusing/threatening players. I’m no walking saint, I’ve said MORE than my fair share of cuss words, but in the end, it’s regrettable, and it doesn’t pay off at all. It’s just an easy way out to vent personal/professional anger. Someone once told me you can tell a person’s real education by how they talk. Unfortunately, I’m a D- at best. Very regrettable…