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Soccer (4-28)

April 28, 2009 @ 7:00 a.m. by Joanna

by joanna

There’s about a month left in the season, so I’d love to know who has surprised you, who has lived up to expectations so far and who will be in the final four in Class 6A and Class 5-1A.

It’s a tough call, especially when you consider in 6A, we’ve got Northwest, Maize and Goddard all clustered right on the west side. How about Kapaun in 5-1A?

What are your thoughts?

  • soccer123

    Not much Surprises except the upset of maize by NW at the first of the season.
    6A – Maize will have a shot to make the State Final 4 but Northwest and Goddard will need perfect games to be there.
    5A – KMC will make it out of the regional with competition from Trinity, Rose Hill, and Andover Central. But they will need a little help to stay with KMC.

  • JJFlash2b

    I agree with soccer123 with suprises and the way the end of the season before regionals and state is shaping up for area teams. Maize should be the team from this region to make it into state and like soccer123 said, NW, Goddard might have to play nearly flawless in order to get to that level. In 5A I would say KMC is the team out of this region to make it to State.

    Now lets fast-forward to Boys soccer season this fall. Maize Boy’s could quite possibly be the top team in State 6A this coming season. They return a boat load of talent after finishing 3rd in State last season. Coach Darrah and his boy’s have their work cut out for them with competition in the area coming from namely East High. Looks to be interesting, but look for Maize to make another run at State this coming season! It would be nice to bring a title back to this area of Kansas!

  • rhsports

    My final 4 for soccer…

    6A – Maize,NorthWest, Washburn Rural, Olathe East

    5A-1A – St. Thomas Aquinas, St James Academy, Kapaun Mt Carmel, Rose Hill

  • soccer123

    jj, we will talk about the fall, after the spring. There is still some great games left and some good stories left in the spring. Your way ahead of yourself… support your maize girls first, don’t skip them.
    rhsports,,, like your enthusiasm but you will have to go thru Haydon, trinity, Shawnee Heights, KMC, Andover Central… possible but you will have to have great performance to get there. Remember Buhler was a good win but August beat them too.

  • john

    Is Campus for real?? They a couple of girls at the top of the scoring chart perhaps they could be a sleeper in the area..

  • soccer123

    RHsports, didn’t Bishop Carroll beat you? I think they might be in the mix too

  • soccer123

    john, They are doing good, much better year then the last couple, top 4 or 5 players are very good but NW and Goddard put it on them pretty good. Not sure if they can handle the big dogs

  • rhsports

    soccer123, I understand what you are saying, but to get to the final 4, Rose Hill will likely only have to go through 1 of those teams you mentioned. If, and I know nothing is for sure, Rose Hill wins there remaining games, they would likely be a 2 seed in the region,maybe even a 1, depending on how KMC finishes. At home, against any of those teams, I like there chances.

  • rhsports

    soccer123, yes Bishop Carroll beat Rose Hill, and they could be in the mix, but I like Rose Hills chances of beating them if they were to meet again. Rose Hill spotted BC a 3-0 lead, you can’t spot anyone a lead like that and expect to win, especially a team as good as Carroll.

  • JohnDoe

    I have not heard a great deal from the Maize camp. Are they playing well?

  • JohnDoe

    Do not leave Heights out of the mix!

  • soccer123

    Bishup Carroll haveing a shot.rhsport, you have three regional winners, even if you beat AC you, Trinity, KMC all have 1 loss. This would put you at the third seeded regional. Then you would get AC again or Buhler or Carroll. Then they reseed and you would get a Haydon or a St James. Not saying it can’t be done but will be very tough.
    I would look at 5a sub state:
    Aquinas
    St James
    KC Christian
    Haydon
    Shawnee Heights
    KMC
    Trinity
    Rose Hill

    With Andover Central and Bishop Carroll having a shot.

  • soccer123

    JohnDoe, to answer both your questions…. Maize 10 Heights 1, what do you think

  • JohnDoe

    soccer123,

    Okay.

    I still think Heights can do damage.

  • soccer123

    John Doe, I do like there top players, Polly, Ramstack, and Scott are some of the best in the city league, I just don’t think they have enough help.

  • JJFlash2b

    JohnDoe, where the heck have you been lately? OK here I go… Maize’s only loss this season was to NW at the Titan Classic at the beginning of the season. That was only because Maize came out alittle too cocky and the weather/elements played in favor of NW the weaker team. Maize pounded them the next time they played, proving it was a fluke! I’m not sure why you think Height’s should be in the mix since they’ve lost big-time to Maize 10-1, KMC 6-1 and Heights barely getting by East 2-1. They’re not even at the level of NW or Goddard in 6A. They’ll probably struggle against Campus if they would happen to get that matchup in a regional.

  • Swim Mom

    I think Campus is for real, yup. I know their goalie, fine girl and they don’t come any tougher. Plus a couple that can really score. I think they are having fun, too!

  • soccerlife

    What will Goddard do after the Whitney Berry Express leaves next year? She has been taken that team to another level, will they be able to stay there or have a major drop off.

  • rhsports

    I agree with what you are saying soccer123, although I beleive KMC will lose another game before playoffs, as they have to play NW, Notre Dame De Sion and Washburn all yet this season. I don’t think Trinity will lose again until playoffs, so the seeding would 1 or 2, of course this is assuming RH wins out, which is a big if, RH does play AC on Thursday, that game alone will affect seedings and league title. So if this all goes as I expect, you would have South Central Regions of Rose Hill or Trinity 1 or 2, Kapaun 3, Andover Central 4

    1 Trinity
    2 Rose Hill
    3 Kapaun
    4 Andover Central
    5 Hays
    6 Buhler
    7 Bishop Carroll
    8 Andover

    9 It gets really muddy from here on 9-19 includes
    Independent, Augusta, Great Bend, Hutch, Valley Center, Wichita West, Circle, Mulvane, Winfield, TMP, and Liberal

  • JohnDoe

    JJFlash2b,
    Goddard beat East 2-1?

  • JJFlash2b

    Swim Mom, yes Campus has improved, but they just don’t have the defense to go with the scoring they get from Slates and the other girl up top and yes, maybe like JohnDoe is trying to say, they could sneak up on some teams, but I doubt it!

  • rhsports

    To all –

    Soccer is a funny game, sometimes a bounce here or there is a the difference between a 1-0 win and 2-1 loss. And if any of these games get to PK’s anything can happen. Nobody can be discounted, just look at Buhler v Augusta for a good example of that this season

  • JJFlash2b

    rhsports is right, but when it comes down to it and you look at the overall consistancy of the top teams and their scores against opponents, the cream always rises to the top!

  • soccer123

    The Question Is…… Can anyone stand up to the KC Schools this year? Not sure If anyone is strong enough to take them this year, I though Maize was tougher last year, same with KMC. But with the scoring threat that they have can they upset the KC Teams? I hope one of them can.

  • joanna

    Soccer fans — you are my favorites this week. While tennis fans have come along and softball has been a little up and down, you guys have come out in full force. I love it.

  • JohnDoe

    soccer123,
    How can say Maize was tougher last year?

  • soccer123

    They lost a couple that from last year that made the team stronger in the back. When you’re facing the competition in state that they will see, your going to miss them. Don’t get me wrong this year’s team may do it but I thought last years team had a better shot at it.

  • JJFlash2b

    Defensively, I also think they were alittle stronger with Kluge in the back and Farid in goal. No goals allowed up until State semi-final says alot!

  • rhsports

    JohnDoe, not trying to speak for soccer123, but last year Maize gave up 0 goals until the state semi-finals, and only 3 goals all season, thats pretty tough….

  • JJFlash2b

    So JohnDoe ,whose dad are you for Maize girls soccer?

  • JohnDoe

    WOW! That is tough.

  • JohnDoe

    NOT! Just a fan of the game looking at all sides:). If truth be known I am pulling for Cl team to make it to state.

  • JJFlash2b

    Just curious, because of some of the comments you’ve made in earlier posts, just seemed peculiar the way you’ve gone back and forth and acting at times like you know nothing about Maize and then all the sudden you know quite abit!

  • soccer123

    john doe, look at it this way, the starters from last year, you did you lose? Now what did you gain. I didn’t see any new freshman making an impact on the game. The team you have out there now is the best in Wichita, no doubt. But their not as strong as last year. But I do think that Kelsey Lynden (not sure her last name) is much improved and looked like the real deal at the titan classic.

  • JJFlash2b

    Oh yeah, it would be great for one of the area teams to go up the northeast way and put a beat-down on one of the area KC high school teams!

  • JJFlash2b

    Soccer123, it’s Lyden, and she is a heck of a talent! Just a soph. Maize needs to utilize her more up front.

  • soccer123

    Well if one of them can do it they need to do it this year because I’m afraid there will be a little bit of a drop next year. Maize, Northwest, Goddard, Rose Hill, Buhler, is all losing a lot of great senior soccer players. KMC losses some but not sure how many in the back, they still have some of there top players coming back.

  • JohnDoe

    soccer123,

    We will see:)

  • JJFlash2b

    Maize will lose some key players after this season, but it seems there is a never ending pipeline of talent, soccer-wise that feeds into that school. They might drop off abit, but not much, if some of the girls that decided not go out this past year, for one reason or another and some due to injuries return next year, they could still be pretty darn good. We’ll see, with the club players that feed into that school, their usually pretty tough!

  • soccer123

    What happens with the new Maize School, how much does this affect the sports pool?
    but the ones I now they will lose is Mull, Costello, Stovall, Talley, Allen, and I know there is more, that is a big group of talent to replace in one year, but there are two teams in the next years that are going to feed them great talent. Holmes little daughter moves up next year, butt what school will they go to?

  • JJFlash2b

    Thats a good question and the things I hear, is most of the talent in a majority of the sports will stay at the 6A school. Where it will hurt is the depth of the teams not having the luxury of players or quality of players coming off the bench. Thats where the Wichita area schools have a hard time competing against a lot of the KC area schools, because the talent pool isn’t as deep. Yes, the players you mentioned are hard to replace, but Maize at the 6A level won’t drop off as much as some think after this season.

  • JohnDoe

    JJFlash2b,
    Which one is your daughter? You made a pretty bold statement about the senior group.

  • JJFlash2b

    OUCH! WOW! That is tough! NOT! Just a fan of the game looking at all sides:)

  • JohnDoe

    YEP:)

  • RocketPride

    Just a parent making an observation – RH looking pretty good!

  • SoccerMom30

    For those who didn’t think Heights could hang with the big teams (Northwest), final score tonight Heights 3, Northwest 2. Don’t count them out yet.

  • TTown 34

    6A final four in my opinion will be:

    Olathe East, BV West, Washburn Rural and Maize

    In the quarterfinals, Washburn Rural should get sent to the west like they did last year. Olathe NW is pretty good and should win the other Central Region sub-state which would send Rural west. If that happens, I think Rural and Maize will advance to state. Goddard is good, but I don’t think they could beat either one of these teams and we will see how well Wichita NW matches up when they play Rural on May 8th. Olathe East and BV West are the class of KC and are very likely to make it to the final four. In fact, Olathe East is ranked #12 in the lastest national poll put out by ESPN.

    Rural went to KC tonight and beat a solid SM Northwest team 2-1 and is now 9-0 on the season. They will at most have 1 or 2 losses and should get to host a quarterfinal game if they get that far. If that happens, they have a great shot at the final four.

  • JJFlash2b

    Thanks TTown, I always like your insight about the Topeka and KC area schools!

  • soccer123

    SoccerMom30, that is a good win for them congats.

  • JohnDoe

    Dang! I hate being RIGHT!

  • JJFlash2b

    Chalk one up for ya JohnDoe! Thats why the NW win over Maize was a fluke! NW is all right, but not that strong. I’d be interested to know in the game with Heights if NW had Shook in goal or was she subbed out after getting burned a couple of times. Goddard is the same type of team as NW. Pretty up and down. Maize is the front-runner in this region. It will be interesting to see how the regional matchups pan out when that time comes. Hopefully Maize girls learned their lesson when losing to NW early in the season, so they don’t let somebody like a Heights sneak up on them!

  • JJFlash2b

    Sorry, just wanted to add, wondering with the game between NW and Heights where it was played at? The reason being, if the conditions were sub-par and the field was wet/slick and muddy, those type of conditons become the great equalizer for the lesser team. Its always that way, especially with a team that has more speed. It was that way with NW beating Maize early at the Titan with the gusty winds and wet conditions, and throw in the fact that NW might have been a little over confident playing Heights, which was a factor when NW beat Maize.

  • SoccerMom30

    NW – Heights game was at Heights. You didn’t see a lot of girls falling due to slick conditions, but when they did they came up wet and muddy. Shook didn’t start the game, but was subbed in about 20 minutes into the first half. I left about 15 minutes before the game was over, so unless they subbed her out, all 3 goals were scored on her. I think NW did go in over confident, but Heights girls really stepped it up and played great. Widrig did a great job defending one on one against Heights, but the rest of the defense had trouble keeping up with Heights speed.

  • JJFlash2b

    I guarantee you field conditions were part of the blame with the NW loss. I know you’ll say or someone will, that both teams have to play in the same conditions, but it usually favors the weaker/lesser team. As for Shook in goal, she’s not totally to blame, if she got burned for 3 goals. She is supposed to have a defense in front of her and you can never blame the keeper totally, but sometimes her decision making is not always the best. I saw that in the game NW had against Maize at Maize. Was Randall for NW a non-factor in the game SoccerMom?

  • JohnDoe

    JJFlash2b,

    Is it safe to say that the lesser teams play the better teams differently. The lesser teams put ten in the box to keep the score down, or try to play the long ball?

  • SoccerMom30

    I would disagree with the field condition theory last night. I would say Heights girls had more trouble with the conditions than NW, but maybe being on their own field did make a difference. I think Shook played a good game. If it sounded like I was placing blame on her it was misunderstood. I agree every player has their place and no one person is to blame. Heights did a good job running two girls to the goal and pulling Widrig off one to leave another open to shoot. NW first goal was strictly due to error by Heights defense. A defender and the goalie both went for the ball with no communication. Simon ended up on the ground with the ball free and a wide open goal that NW took advantage of about 30 into second half. About 3 minutes later Randall scored an unassisted goal that was a perfect shot. Randall played solid but Heights defended her well.

  • JJFlash2b

    If the 6A South Central Regionals were to start today, it would probably go something like this with the seedings.
    Regional 1– #1 Maize vs #12 SE
    #6 Garden City vs #7 South

    Regional 2– #2 Goddard vs #11 North
    #5 Heights vs #8 East

    Regional 3– #3 NW vs #10 Dodge City
    #4 Campus vs #9 Derby

    Still games to be played of course and a lot can happen with those seedings and pairings!

  • soocer fan

    JJFlash2b,

    While you are probably correct to put Maize at the #1 seed for the end of the season — if the playoffs started today Goddard would be the #1 seed at 12-0.

    Your post about the central region might be a good prediction however the central region seeding depends on overall records. Washburn could be #1 but Manhattan may or may not be in the same regional. If Manhattan wins a regional they are further West so they come this direction as they did two years ago and Washburn goes to KC as they did two years ago.

    Maize has had the #1 regional seed the past two years with Goddard #2. This has allowed Goddard to play the #3 seed at substate and Maize to play the #4 seed. The past two years Maize has had a much tougher substate game then Goddard. The team out of the central region has been tougher.

    Point is – Regional predictions might be OK to make now but be careful about making sub-state predictions this early.

  • soocer fan

    I guess that should have been addressed to TTown 34 instead of JJFlash2b.

  • JJFlash2b

    Soccer fan, these are predictions and like I said there are still games to be played. Your’re correct, as it stands right now, Goddard would be #1 in the South Central based on record. Maybe I should have stated end of regular season on my predictions. This will be close anyhow. Maize travels to Goddard this year for their matchup and that right there might decide who gets the #1 and the #2 seed in the South Central Region. Remember the regional seedings in each region get their respective #1′s, #2′s and so forth. This has nothing to do with the overall rankings, just the seedings in the different regions. It’s after the regional play, before sub-state when they go back and re-seed based on teams overall standing.

  • JJFlash2b

    Just to give you some background soccer fan, again each region has their respective seeds. The Central Region which has Topeka Washburn Rural, Junction City, Lawrence, Lawrence Free-State, Leavenworth, Manhattan, Olathe-NW and Topeka are seeded #1 through #8 in their respective region. The western most school coming out as the winner of that region will travel west to be matched up with the top 3 regional winners out of the South Central for quarter final matches. Thats how it works!

  • JJFlash2b

    So…OK… Out of the two Central Regional winners, which TTown thinks will probably be Washburn Rural and Olathe-NW, the one geographically closer to the west which would be Topeka WB, would travel further west to meet up with the top 3 South Central Regional winners like Maize, Goddard and ?? NW, and Olathe NW would go east to meet up with the Northeast Regional winners. Got it? Good, cause I’m tired of typing!!

  • soccer

    NW Heights game: I heard that A. Widrig didn’t play. Not that it should have affected NW’s game but she is a vital part of their offense. NW isn’t a cocky team. They just had an off game….it happens.

    The Titan Classic: I bet those NW girls are proud of their win and you guys are taking away from it. So what about the weather. If Maize is the team they are supposed to be they should have been able to handle NW despite it. I bet you to KC area team, that wind would not have been a factor.

  • soccer

    And your are right JohnDoe….they expected to go undefeated this season and NW ended it. I guess that was the boost that maize needed to show they have to work.

  • JJFlash2b

    Soccer, not trying to take anything away from the NW girls and their win over Maize early in the season, but it probably shouldn’t have happened. It did and it was great for them! The game in which NW got beat the other day by Heights is a different story. Those two teams are more evenly matched and I’m sure for NW missing Widrig up front was huge! She is their main weapon up front and missing her probably gave the advantage to Heights. Now I’m gonna hear it from Heights fans! Maize does have to work harder this season, which is a good thing, but they probably won’t get tested again until possibly their last regular season game at Goddard.

  • JohnDoe

    JJFlash2b,

    It is hardder to stay on top than getting there:). There is too much great soocer left!

  • soocer fan

    Another prediction

    Southcentral regionals:
    Maize #1 seed – 10 – 1 now – needs to beat Goddard
    Goddard #2 seed – 12-0 now – only needs 2 wins to lock this up
    Garden City #3 seed – only has 3 losses – nobody left on schedule
    Campus #4 seed – has 3 losses – will loose to maize – may end up with 4 losses at worst.
    Northwest #5 seed – has 2 losses and tie – has Kapaun and Washburn Rural, and Notre Dame De Sion.
    Heights might get #6 – has 4 losses – has Manhattan and Bishop Carroll left.

    Don’t forget – seniors are out of school next week before regular season is over. Lots of distractions for teams with lots of Seniors. A lot of potential for upsets.

  • http://varsitykansas LadyLionsFan

    If we happen to beat Maize will be #1 seed?

  • JJFlash2b

    Thanks LadyLionsFan, I think soccer fan was forgetting that one important IF!

  • JJFlash2b

    Goddard has to travel to McPherson and that could be a possible upset!

  • http://varsitykansas LadyLionsFan

    I don’t know much about McPherson, are they pretty good? I know they are 6-4 and lost to Campus, which we beat 5-1. Put that is what makes soccer interesting… on any given day the right bounce can cause an upset!

  • JohnDoe

    The plot thickens!

  • JJFlash2b

    Tell Whit, she better light it up! No for reals, I don’t think you’ll have a problem with them LadyLionFan.

  • Soccer #20

    Heights is a great team this year…Has alot of good up front players and good mids. And great freshman like Scott, McCarthy, Howland.

    I think they could be a #4 seed but give them a year and they could take State!

    Good luck Steve, Laura, John and Lady Falcons!! :)

  • JJFlash2b

    Soccer #20, Heights isn’t bad, but they’ve got a couple of tough ones coming up, traveling to Manhattan and later to Bishop Carroll. With games left, anything is possible to shake up the South Central Regional seedings, but I still don’t see them any higher than a five seed unless Campus screws up. So what year is Polley, Totty and Crouch? If some of those named don’t graduate this year, than yeah, Heights could be pretty tough next season.

  • soccer123

    Heights will be strong next year, Polly, Ramstack juniors, Scott Freshman.. I think they only have a couple seniors.

  • soccer123

    Another prediction

    Maize 6 Goddard 2

  • JohnDoe

    soccer123,

    That is a very bold prediction. Maize beat goddard 1-0 last year with a stronger team.
    What say you JJFlash2b?

  • Soccer #20

    Leaving Next year is Strawn, Kassick, Hezel, Williams, P. Albertson, and Simon…

    Crouch is a junior and Totty is a sophomore.

    I do agree that Heights needs another season to get together….watch out for them next year.

  • soccer123

    JohnDoe, Goddard was alot better last year, lost a lot. Very Young. Not sure if they can stop the attack. I’m sure Berry and Jones will get there chances though