Collegiate is dissed
June 30, 2009 @ 1:27 p.m. by Joannaby joanna
I’ve got a story going in Wednesday’s paper about how Collegiate, which won’t be in a league after the 2009-10 school year because eight teams pulled out of the MCAA, was denied a league assignment hearing.
Collegiate wanted a hearing and then wanted to be assigned to a league. Pratt got a hearing but was denied and assignment.
Collegiate would love to get into the AV-CTL or the CPL, but neither wants to add teams. The AV-CTL has 24 teams and is adding Maize South this fall, while Goddard’s new high school opens in 2011.
I would imagine that Andover isn’t too far away from getting another high school. I know that district doesn’t want its schools too big, and Central is already 5A.
The CPL has 10 teams and doesn’t want to add any more teams.
How much does Collegiate’s status as a private school and its success in athletics hurt its chances? I’d say a lot.
bucocatfan says:
June 30th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I have been assured that both Andover schools will be 5A this fall and that Andover will be bigger than Central.
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Hinds57 says:
June 30th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Are you stating this as fact? Do you have any proof of this?
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Hinds57 says:
June 30th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Just joking Buco. Just trying to point out that people can have opinions and say things and should not be tagged as fools by you.
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Greyhound says:
June 30th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Put Collegiate in the City League. That’s where they belong and I think they would fare quite well for themselves.
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bbfan says:
June 30th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
City league is a great place for them.
I do not think their success has anything to do with a league not wanting them. However, I think the fact that they are a private school does. Most public schools the size of Collegiate do not want compete for titles against private schools because of the disparity of the rules regarding eligibility.
In the larger school classifications that advantage is negated by the number of students attending the public schools.
So if you put them in the City league neither side has a real advantage.
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We Are Sparduh says:
June 30th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Collegiate doesn’t want to play in the city league because that wouldn’t allow them to pad the stats of their recruited D-1 wannabes. If they want a league to accept them the answer is simple…cut the recruited players and their coach daddys/employee mommys loose and stop recruiting in the future! Either pay or play somewhere else!!
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thelogo44 says:
June 30th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Put Collegiate in the city league….PLEASE.
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TJ says:
June 30th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Putting them in the City League would only affect their regular season win/loss percentage. As long as they limit their enrollment so they can stay in 3A, they’ll still win State Championships, they just won’t be undefeated when they hit sub-state.
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gpowl says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
no one wants them in the league because they are rude stuck up people/students. there accomplishments have nothing to do with them getting into a league.
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gpowl says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
wut are some of the accomplishments in the last 5 years???
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wiseowl says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
joanna
u just dissed the cpl. you would be surprised if they did join the cpl. u need to give the cpl respect. just because there are small schools and donot drive bmw’s (except for trinity and independent) doesnt mean they can compete. lets look at what the cpl has done recently…
Football Champs:
Conway SPrings… 2008 2004 2003 2002 2001 1998
Garden Plain…3a 2007
runner up 3a 2006 2a -2003 1996
Boys tennis
3a Conway 2005 2004
Boys Basketball Champs
2a GP 1999
3a Trinity 2008
Girls Champs
2a GP 2001
3aConway 2001
Volleyball
Conway 2000 2001 2002 2005
GP 1996 2008
Track Boys
GP 2009
runner up 2003 2007
3rd place 2008
Cheney 2000
Girls champs
GP 2003 2004 2005 2006 runner up 2009
Douglass 2009
Belle PLaine 3rd place 2009
conway 2001 2002 champs
Softball
Gp 4a champs 2008, 5a runner up 2009
so joanna
dont tell us they are too good for any league
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We Are Sparduh says:
June 30th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I doubt if their recruits coach daddys/mommys want to subject their kid to possible injury to get no stats and finish the season 2-8 with their final loss coming at the hands of one of the birds!!! You can’t get a D-1 scholarship for free in the city league lol!!
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joanna says:
July 1st, 2009 at 6:23 am
wiseowl — please, please show me where I’d say I’d be surprised to see Collegiate join the CPL. I have no desire to dog the CPL or any other team. Ever. And certainly no team is too good to be in any league. But every team deserves to be in a league.
I will say now, although I didn’t say it up top in my original post, that I’d be surprised to see Collegiate join any league without being placed there. In regards to the AV-CTL and the CPL, neither one wants to add more teams, as I’ve been told by people associated with both leagues.
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David says:
July 1st, 2009 at 9:06 am
Joanna, the AVCTL is too unwieldy. Some schools would be better fits in other leagues. The two Salina schools would probably be better off in the Centennial League, and move Emporia to the Frontier League, since it’s doubtful they’ll be 6A again. Hutchinson ought to join the WAC. Then again, you wouldn’t be happy if the Salthawks had to travel to Hays and Liberal.
I’ve suggested Pratt try to draw out other schools, such as Chaparral, Cheney, Medicine Lodge and Kingman to form a new league. Andale would also be a candidate. What would have made sense is for Pratt to get in with Halstead, Haven, Hesston, Nickerson and Smoky Valley, who are all leaving the MCAA.
Teams looking for placement in leagues will continue. The next to have this problem will be Smith Center. In 2008, the North Central Activities Association voted unanimously (7-0) to reject Smith Center should the Redmen ask to join if the Mid-Continent League should break up. Norton and Phillipsburg may be in the same predicament now that Colby and Goodland have found a new league. That’s an area with a bunch of 8-man school and nothing else until you get to the I-70 corridor and south.
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bbfan says:
July 1st, 2009 at 11:10 am
How about this for a new league:
Bishop-Carrol
Kapaun
Independent
Trinity
Collegiate
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WestSideParent says:
July 1st, 2009 at 11:46 am
I just don’t get the whole “recruiting” theory that people have in regards to Collegiate. On last years boys basketball and football teams if you had actually seen them play, I’d like to know which kids you think were recruited to play. All I have seen for lack of a better term “were averaged size white kids” who have obviously worked hard and been coached into developing good teams. Please give me one kid in the last 5-6 years that have been head and shoulders above anyone they have competed with. Thow in the fact of high academic standards in order to stay eligible and I argue how Collegiate has all these advantages that everyone speaks of.
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bbfan says:
July 1st, 2009 at 1:04 pm
every student that attends a private school has been recruited to some degree. Not necessarily for athletics. It only gives them an advantage if if they choose to recruit for athletics. The rules permit that and there is nothing wrong with it.
However, since the rules permit it for private schools and not public schools then public schools are completely justified in not wanting to compete against private schools for a league title.
I also would disagree that the academic standards to compete are higher at a private school than at most public schools.
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Faux Ostrich Tipper says:
July 1st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
OH PLEASE!!
Everybody knows who has been recruited and is on scholarship at Wichita Collegiate on both the boys teams and girls teams. Some of them HAVE been head and shoulders above their competition but obviously not all of them are going to be the next Deangelo Evans or Chris Harper!
The main problem is hiring their dads to coach them or hiring their parents in some other capacity. This is an obvious conflict of interest and a bare naked violation of kshsaa rules! The heck of it is they don’t even need to recruit to be good. All they have to do is simply coach their indigenous population! It seems however, that they are addicted to recruiting.
Wichita Collegiate had better start taking care of their paying customers or their campus is going to end up being an office park!! There is no way to sustain it as a viable business if half the kids are paying net zero and half are paying full tuition to support them and their athletic endeavors.
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Ayn Rand says:
July 1st, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Every parasitic interference at Wichita Collegiate School consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some kids at the expense of others.
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Crack says:
July 1st, 2009 at 2:36 pm
bbfan, your an IDIOT, you speak out of the side of your face, you don’t have a clue about private schools. What’s the matter don’t want to hear the chatter. You want to move KMC and BC out of the city league? why because they beat your kids team?
I say bring Collegiate to the City League I’m game.
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Crack says:
July 1st, 2009 at 2:42 pm
bbfan, another thing the private school kids parents pay taxes also for public schools and I believe KMC and BC are Catholic schools “Christian” get the picture and yes we Pray before classes and games we don’t care what the State says about prayer in school. “America Love It or Leave It”
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For Pete's Sake says:
July 1st, 2009 at 3:39 pm
I see Crack is back from his dumpster diving tour of Wichita. You can tell who has not received a private school education or for that matter, a public school one either.
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bbfan says:
July 1st, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Crack- we have missed you.
I have no problem with KMC or BC being in the City league. As I have said on here many times, I believe the unquestionable advantage that private schools have, is negated in the larger schools. So the City league is a good place for them.
My point was that a league consisting of all private schools may be a good idea and there are enough private schools in the area to support it.
I’ll try to type slower in the future so you won’t have to read it so fast and get confused. :)
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Crack says:
July 1st, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Petey, nice to see your not in timeout anymore, you should listen to your mommy and go outside and play hopscotch with the other girls, but noooooooo you would rather play on the computer. Go figure. late
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Crack says:
July 1st, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Welcome back Little Bo Petey
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For Pete's Sake says:
July 1st, 2009 at 3:51 pm
bbfan
you would have to string together pictures for him to get it. However, this blog is not capable of doing so. He will continue to be confused and call people names that are usually reserved for him when he walks out in front of moving vehicles with his shopping cart full of his worldly possessions.
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For Pete's Sake says:
July 1st, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Still stuck on moms huh Crack. Look I know Swimmom rejected you but you might want to go see a psychiatrist to get over it.
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anonymous says:
July 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I see no problem with any team joining city league. Sure they are a private school, not doesn’t mean that they are good. Sure in some sports they will be able to compete, but in others they will need to do some major work. But all in all, its not up to all of you chatting, its up to board members.
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Joanna says:
July 1st, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Hey, did you guys miss the day when I had the trash-talking post?
Glad to see you all on here at the same time.
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Crack says:
July 1st, 2009 at 4:25 pm
What yuh got cookin with Swimmom Petey? I hope it’s meat loaf, me like meat loaf, speaking of loaf Petey “AKA” Mr. Rogers what color is your sweater and do you brush your locks 100 times before you go to bed at night, sleep tight Petey mommy is right around the corner. lol
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For Pete's Sake says:
July 1st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Yeah I read the post on trash talking Joanna. It is too bad that Crack, who is such a strong proponent of trash-talking, is not very good at it. Does anyone with an education higher than 3rd grade understand any of his gibberish? I would suggest one of the Collegiate “recruits” tutor him on trash talking, but I doubt anyone human would want to get close to him because of the stench. Fire up the shopping cart Crack this is a great weekend for trash collecting with all of the parties going on.
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Ernie Pyle says:
July 1st, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Well, Joanna, you have succeeded in getting your summer blog readership up.It’s always good for those who have an axe to grind to have a spot for that.Congratulations!
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joanna says:
July 1st, 2009 at 10:24 pm
My bad for blogging about a news story.
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Jagssoftball says:
July 1st, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Of course the CPL doesn’t want Collegiate. Another private school, that would mean more competition for the teams out west. They like it the way it is were they can beat up on Bluestem, Douglass and Belle Plaine. I had four neices and nephews go to school at Bluesteam some played sports and some didn’t. I always asked the question what the heck is Bluestesm doing in the CPL, I never got a answer. Drop Bluestem and Douglass and add Collegiate to the CPL.
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Janice says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 3:27 am
I don’t know all the details about Collegiate.
But it seems to me that we are missing the most important issue here…….
What about the KIDS?
What will happen to them? Is this fair to them? How does this impact seniors?
When other schools have had major changes that impact the students, they usually have a transition periods.
Now that Maize is opening a new high school, they intentially did not force seniors to move so as not to disrupt everything about the their school life.
There will be no seniors at the new high school this year.
They are allowing their students to transition to the new school.
It’s extremely tough being a teenager.
Is the KSHAA doing the right thing and the best thing for those kids there?
Shouldn’t they change their policies over a period of time so that the incoming freshman will know, in advance, the situation of the athletic program.
How is this fair to the kids who are already involved?
They can’t exactly transfer to another school and be eligible, can they?
Are some of these kids children of your doctor or perhaps other medical specialist? Do you appreciate what your doctor does for you do you really want to hurt his family?
Some of these parents are probably community leaders.
What about the Golden Rule?
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3&2softball says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am
bbfan, the bottom line is that KSHAA allowed Collegitate and all the other private schools in the state to join. They now have the responsiblity of acting fairly toward all the schools. What they are doing to Collegiate in not fair. If KSHAA, or if you, want to lobby KSHAA to seperate public and private that is fine. But that is not the situation that curently exists and KSHAA needs to act fairly. You also continue to say that public schools do not recruit kids for athletic purposes and I know that to not be true. Several kids I have coached were recruited by several public high schools. They went on to play at high schools whose districts the did not live in.
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T. Boone says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:05 am
KSHSAA is treating Pratt the same way they are treating Collegiate, so they are acting fairly.
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Lovebball says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:33 am
bbfan I’m with you…private schools need to have their own league and their own state tournament. That would include TMP, St. James Academy, Topeka Hayden, ST Thomas Quinas, etc. Historically these teams sweep state sports titles.
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JJAAT says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
There is an obvoius disadvantage between Public and Private schools. Show me any public school (or two) that has won 61 State Championships in the last 18 years like Collegiate. In class 5A 44% of the State Championships the last 10 years have been won by private schools (which makes up less than 12% of the teams, Bishop Miege bounce back and forth between 4A and 5A).
Kansas needs to adopt the same rules as other states and have private schools play up one division (Colligiate would be 4A) and the number of scholarshiped athletes should not exceed the school average for non-athletic scholarships.
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3&2softball says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
T Boone, Pratt was not treated fairly either, they are a member and should have been placed also. Everbody else, if you want to lobby KSHAA to form public and private divisions fine. I have no problem with that.
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KSFOOTBALL says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Can someone please tell me what the blank janice is talking about ?Janice if you hopeing someone will feel sorry for any private school good luck with that .
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We Are Sparduh says:
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Janice only wants us to take into consideration how hard it’s going to be on those poor recruited Wichita Collegiate D-1 wannabes who are at the school on scholarship. How are they and their parents ever going to acheive their D-1 dreams if they have to play and compete against real competition? How will their kids ever get that D-1 scholarship if they have to actually COMPETE for a starting spot instead of it just being given to them?
Maybe we should try to be a little more understanding.
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KSFOOTBALL says:
July 3rd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Then i guess i did understand her post and still could care less.Something tells me they will manage to get by somehow.
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Hot Potato says:
July 3rd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
KSFOOTBALL
Didn’t your kid go to Bishop Carroll last year?
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crack says:
July 3rd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Bring on all Private schools to the City League the only one’s that can compete is KMC and BC
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bbfan says:
July 6th, 2009 at 10:27 am
3&2, If someone has evidence that a public school has allowed athletes to participate that do not meet the eligibility requirements then they should forward that evidence to the KSHSAA. If a school has done that the student should not be allowed to participate, the school should forfeit all games that player played in and that coach should be banned for life from ever coaching any sport in Kansas.
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WC says:
July 13th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
this is a little late but i just would like to say collegiate doesn’t give scholarships it gives financial aid to those who need it and does that by evaluating parents income and taxes etc. it has absolutely nothing to do with athletic performance or anything else
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Natty lite says:
July 17th, 2009 at 12:57 am
Ok let those stuck up rich Kidd into the CPL. We will just crush them in the sports that they think they have DI athlete in. Garden plain and Conway springs won’t let them get close to a state title. School that can recruit should be up in a class just because they have the option, conway should have for recruiting that good QB Bird. But in basketball Cheney will take car of them. And track well bring it on GP or CS or ant team for that matter will crush them. It’s not like you can recruit a whole football team. Linemen and all and expect go beat the teams that all thy do is football. Where all he fans are packed into the stadium on Friday night. Or run midnight practice on the first day you can practice. Bring it on, let those rich kids in the. CPL.
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