Playoff football results (11-7)
Nov. 7, 2009 @ 11:36 p.m. by Joannaby joanna
Saw a great first-half between Abilene and Rose Hill. Quarterback Tyler Shirley was excellent, so were Laqua Mayes and Derrick Decker as Rose Hill took a 17-0 lead in the first half. The second half, I saw lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of flags. Oh my. It was awful. Slowed the game down. So many holding penalties.
Doesn’t matter, Rose Hill moves on, will play at Buhler next week.
Other area teams getting wins include Andale over Wellington, Hutch Trinity over Conway Springs, Collegiate over Hillsboro. I’m doing this off the top of my head, so feel free to add your thoughts on the night or a game you were at.
I saw some outstanding athletes, including the three Rose Hill kids mentioned above. I also was impressed with Curry Sexton from Abilene. He lived up to everything I had heard about him.
Me says:
November 8th, 2009 at 12:06 am
Say goodbye to the North Central A.A. for another year. Smith Center 63, Minneapolis 17; Norton 42, Beloit 20. NCAA=FRAUD
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Tom says:
November 8th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Mayes is approaching 2000 yds on the season…. Will be fun to watch him and Oden next week.
Lots and lots? That is an understatement… wow… a flag happy crew for sure.
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Me says:
November 8th, 2009 at 12:13 am
Mid-Continent League has three in the quarterfinals. Anyone who wants to write off the MCL…SCOREBOARD!
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john says:
November 8th, 2009 at 1:01 am
isn’t ball state and eastern michigan in the mid continent league?
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Mike says:
November 8th, 2009 at 4:17 am
Brian Butler’s Potential Players strikes again. Rose Hill- Mayes, Decker, Train, Foltz. Abilene- Curry Sexton, Cody Whitehair, Tyler Gjerstad. I guess it’s not just the Brown Bros. Looks like Potential Players is catching on in more than just Wichita.
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long road trips says:
November 8th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Jake Reffner had a decent game for Buhler with 3 rushing TDs and 3 passing TDS, finishing with over115 yards rushing and 200 yards passing—all in the first half, as Buhler put up 43 points and amassed 424 yards of offense. Jordan Oden was held to 184 yards and 3 TDs.
Should be a good game with Rose Hill next week, with both tems having good RBs and QBs
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scooby says:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:00 am
DC 35, Topeka 14, Jace Banner had 310 yds rushing, our D did well against a pretty good offense.. Guess we have to play at Derby because they didn’t have enough home games… Oh well, guess I’ll have to listen to the game from my combine :( Jace’s mom will be there, so we’ll have that support.. Derby’s good, like they say, 1 game at a time, just because we’re from Western KS, don’t think we’ll be a pushover… Sooo let the best team win!!!!
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JJFlash2b says:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Hey, not along the lines of football, more for tennis, as coverage goes, but congrat’s to you Jo on being recognized for media excellence at the Dec. 5th Missouri Valley Tennis Association awards and Hall of Fame and luncheon in OP. Way to go!
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KSFOOTBALL says:
November 8th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Mike get ready for the” haters” to full out attack now. lol Anyone whos not blinded by (choose your reason) can see the Potential Players stable is loaded which im sure doesnt sit well with the “haters”. Dont have full list but just a couple to add that list of talent are Tyler Matthews QB (SO) 1000yds with a horrible team in only part of the season snaps.Hes a big strong 6′3″+ and growing with an excellent arm and toughness mental and physical you dont see in SR Qb,s let alone a soph. Dillon Call(SO) 10+ a game with 3 tfls and about a sack a game these numbers from the Will. I believe most every player is leading there team to the playoffs aside from Goddard which speaks for itself. List is longer but i dont have numbers now but Conway,Mulvane,Salina, Players state wide. ok let the feeding frenzy of Brian Butler haters begin. lol
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Lushous Lou says:
November 8th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
man little Foltz got huge! he’s gotta be 6′4 prolly bigger.
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Hovpen says:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I believe Lou that the announcers referred to big Foltz in Saturday’s game as a “monster” of a lineman to run behind. Blaze had eight pancakes when I left for the HS game and he wasn’t eating breakfast. There is one local redshirt freshman that is making his mark. Hey Joanne, I see the BB watch in the paper for yards gained, how about a pancake watch for Blaze lol.
HUSKER POWER
Black Shirts Rule Baby
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Lushous Lou says:
November 8th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
haha yeah i missed his game because i was at the kstate game.
glad to see things are back to normal in the north with nebraska and kstate at the top again.
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john says:
November 8th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Does Butler teach the eye gouge technique at Potential Players? My kid can’t get it down and I would pay top dollar for someone that could teach him this and get a possible scholarship at Florida.
My daughter does have the pony tail pull mastered, unfortunately she plays tennis instead of soccer so we have to teach her to jump over the net to get to her opponent.
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ftbllfn135 says:
November 8th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
that rapp kid played one heck of a game. and he did it with a heavy heart. hats off to that kid. heck of a reciever and a really solid corner. great write up joanna.
good luck rose hill and to the rapp family
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respectksfb says:
November 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Curry Sexton should have at least 10 D-1 offers instead of his 1 from Wyoming. He is the real deal.
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Bob Wilson says:
November 8th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
KS Football…There are plenty of young men excelling that are not part of Butler’s parade. Butler’s just another trainer and there are many good ones. He’s just got some good advertising having the Brown brothers in his pocket. You are way too quick to defend him. The real separation comes down to the kids that have the talent who are willing to work hard to maximize their potential. You should not call out your own kid. He’s got the desire and work ethic and would be good outside of Butler.
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Innocent Bystander says:
November 8th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Very, very impressed with the Sexton kid. I can’t remember the last time I saw a safety play as aggressive as he did. He flows to the ball as well as any I can remember. Also has the ability on offense to take it to the house from any point on the field. Excellent athlete.
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Hey now says:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:47 am
How many Hutchinson kids are with Butler? Was there one? Maybe Stucky? I wonder how they won all those state championships with only one Butler kid. It’s inconceivable. How many from Junction City and Emporia? How about Smith Center? How did they win without a Potential Player? Butler didn’t make Blaize Foltz the giant he is. He also didn’t get him to set a TCU bench press record. Butler has his niche, but he can hardly be the guiding factor in those teams being in the playoffs. More likely, their parents were looking for their kids to get a little extra edge, and went to Butler. That isn’t to say that the football results for those teams would not have been any different than what they are.
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Lushous Lou says:
November 9th, 2009 at 12:58 am
yeah blaize went from being pretty big leaving rose hill to absolutely a monster of a kid. he’s really bought into hitting the gym as you can obviously see. and he’s only a freshman!
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GoldenEagles fan says:
November 9th, 2009 at 7:01 am
I’m not Butler’s biggest fan, but the list is starting to get pretty long with players. I heard he helped Blake Bell’s notoriety flourish early on with his support. I would like to see him reach out more to the city league coaches, but you cant argue the results.
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consultant says:
November 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Hey now says:
How many Hutchinson kids are with Butler? Was there one?
Butler has probably been an undercover consultant for Dreiling and I bet he gave Bryce Brown his fast legs also.
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How About... says:
November 9th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Blake Bell’s daddy and uncle playing in the NFL getting him his initial notoriety and his talent sealing the deal. Moreover, how about giving the high school coaches and team mates the credit along with the players themselves. Only boobs like KSFOOTBALL who shamelessly plug their kids on this site think Butler is God. You go Bob Wilson. If Dillon Call knew any better, he would get rid of papa and the fat man.
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KSFOOTBALL says:
November 9th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
We all see your thoughts well more like attacks but either way theres no “pimping” going on i put names in a post refering to Brian but im moving on. We have been through the Potential Players fight on here its tired.
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joanna says:
November 9th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
All righty then. I guess I was getting comfortable in the fact that we hadn’t had a Brian Butler fight for quite some time. I miss those quiet days.
Pimping is pretty harsh, How about? — I have no problem with people talking about their own kids. Certainly better than ripping someone down.
So let me be mama again — Come on, guys. Agree, disagree. Agree to disagree. But keep the borderline nasty stuff out. Gracias.
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How About... says:
November 9th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Please do move on. Let your kids actions speak for themself. If you don’t want attacked quit with the nonsense. He is a good player and doesn’t need your jabbering to get himself noticed. Its pathetic parents like you that drag this blog down.
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How About... says:
November 9th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Joanna
The truth sometimes is harsh.
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KSFOOTBALL says:
November 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
95% of comments dont come from me but i guess my 5% is to much. noted ty. I post on here about many football subjects all year again 99% having nothing to do with hm. Doesnt “need” any jabbering as you call it but doesnt deserve the attacks either.
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Brian Butler says:
November 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Thank you for the support of all the parents and kids who are willing to look at facts, not jibberish(Regardless of the source). These kids work extremely hard with me and at their schools. The one guy is right Im just a trainer, but not just like all the other’s. Because, if I was there would be about 50 players a year signing 4 year scholarships in the Wichita area. The only opinions that truly matter are those of the kids and parents who work with me, and they seem pretty happy. I go to two to three games a week and hundreds of parents come to me complaining about their son and how he’s dedicated himself to the school and is getting minimal to no help in recruiting, and that’s why my opinion of some coaches is not that good. Dreiling, Schuckman, Brack, Slade are some coaches that I feel really work their butts of to help get ALL their kids to the next level and I am totally appreciative. This is about teamwork it’s not a one man show. If helping kids get exposure is bad then I am guilty and will continue to be guilty, but the proof is in the RESULTS!!!! At first it was I only help the best kids, but when kids work for years and become the best, then what. I will be having some parents on my podcast next week to speak to some of these things, I hope all of you listen(potentialplayers.com, the potential players podcast). And, Im fat but it doesn’t stop me from helping kids. So get your skinny butt up and do what Im doing since it’s so easy. Good Luck.
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How About... says:
November 9th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Go get your teaching credentials, become part of the system, and help all kids who have a vast array of skill levels.
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Brian Butler says:
November 9th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
First off, I train kids who play little league, who play J.V. and who are just trying to get better. It doesn’t take me being a high school coach to help an array of kids. I coached for 6 years and helped kids then, but I felt this was the most effective way to help a larger group of kids. Secondly, you don’t know any credentials that I have or am getting. If I wanted to coach I would be coaching, but thanks for the suggestion.
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Bob Wilson says:
November 9th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Joanna, I am with you on not ripping kids on this site or any other – its just not acceptable under any circumstances. But come on, you “have no problem with people talking about their own kids”. Being braggadocious on this site or through any other venue about your own kid is wrong. It puts undue pressure on the kid plus parents generally have an inflated opinion of how good their kid is. Talk about the team and talk about other players but not your own kid. If your kid is good, people will know it and will discuss it not to mention attention from media folks like yourself.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Nice post Bob. Nobody is ripping kids, just their idiot parents. Anybody that can access Maxpreps knows the Call kid is good. The only thing bigger than Butler’s stomach is KSFOOTBALL’s ego.
Brian (if that is really you), I highly doubt you are doing anything but making sure you have an inside track on making more money. Here is a suggestion for ya Big B. How about you quit ripping high school coaches for doing their jobs. As a former Rule 10 coach you know very well that they don’t make very much money doing what they do, and they also put in long hours aside from their day job which is teaching. If parents want to send their kids to a con and a fraud like yourself that is their business.
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Crack says:
November 10th, 2009 at 9:10 am
How about, you shut your pie hole, atleast Butler is trying to help but you would rather sit there a throw stones, speaking of stones , why don’t you grow a pair. High School coaches for the most part don’t help kids who want to play at the next level their worried about their own reputation to put themselves out there and maybe a kid doesn’t pan out it looks bad on the coaches, it’s not about the coaches people. Coaches need to do there job and help kids not matter what.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am
The coaches job is to coach his team and teach, that is it. That is what his contract states. So go take a flying leap douchebag.
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Ahh… Jo, why you moderating my comments? I didn’t say anything nasty. Just making a comment on something that could be the obvious, with dramatic changes and results! Didn’t say he did or didn’t! Isn’t this type of conversation, what makes this blog go round?
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Apparently the first amendment goes out the window at the Varsity Kansas blog brought to you by Potential Players.
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am
The Obama Administration, Health Care Reform (new bill passed), and now this? Where have my right’s gone?? Nothing against Obama by the way!
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Joanna says:
November 10th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Guys, we reserve the right to take stuff off the blog and discussion boards.
We want conversation, but there are times it gets out of hand and we need to step in.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Brian Butler and his Potential Player revolution is set to take over the world, anyhow, it will all end in 2012 at least that is what the movie trailer says.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:01 am
That was what Lenin and Hitler said JoJo.
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Joanna says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:02 am
That’s cool.
This topic always gets out of hand. We’ve had to do this before — on this same topic. That’s our right for hosting this blog.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
I love what America has become. Just wait until the government takes away the Freedom of the Press. Who will be complaining then?
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kevin c says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Crack, you need to post more often…very funny stuff.
I don’t have a dog in the fight in the Potential Players matter, but it seems to me that our society is totally OVERREGULATED by government or quasi-government organizations like NCAA or KSHAA. They put in rules to stop the really blantant stuff from happening, but these rules also penalize guys like Butler who are trying to help kids get better and get to college. The Bryce Brown deal was a shame but thankfully it worked out. The Desmond Bryant thing at OSU is a crime too … takes a good kid and great athlete out of a program for what looks like a very small transgression.
Basically I am sick of organizations and governments who legislate everything down to the lowest common denominator in the interest of “fairness or justice”. Think of what is best for a kid, not what is best for political correctness.
Keep helpin’ the kids, Butler. And if you ever get to make any money on your PP business, more power to you. From what I hear, you don’t make much and you let lots of poor deserving kids work out with you for nothing.
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
OK…let me rephrase the comment that just got moderated. Not talking about the man with the last name that begins with a “B”. Don’t know him, won’t talk about him. I was just stating some maybe obvious reality’s about some helpful little substances that accelerate in helping make the body big!
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:22 am
You mean “supplements” JJ?
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Brian Butler says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:38 am
How about….., It’s obvious youre a coach with a lot of free time. So let me help you. Go cut up some film and call some coaches, and I will try to get your contract changed so you can help more kids without crying about the money that you don’t make for doing it. I am glad you’re concerned with my money, weight, and business. This is me and with so much knowledge about me Im starting to figure out who you are. And if you are who I think you are I can out coach you in my sleep, and when we coached together you were very average at best. Some of the best coaches I know that have been in the city have been rule 10 coaches.
You still don’t get it. It’s about the kids, I apologize if most of the coaches in the USD 259 are average. I don’t blame them as much as I blame their administration for hiring them, and settling for mediocre results for years and years. Someone smart fired you, didnt they.
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Yeah, the “A” kind! Man, this whole conversation went around the block a few times and finally ended up here! It all started with just an innocent comment made in reference to LL’s comment about a certain somebody getting big when left HS and now’s a monster! KSFOOTBALL jumps in, maybe feeling alittle guilty, I don’t know, and says don’t you think hard work and discipline got the results and my comment back was maybe with a dramatic change such as that…do you think? That was the whole thing! No big deal, I thought!
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Mr. Butler…excuse me, but you interupted my dialogue with Mr. How!
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:45 am
I’ve got to learn to type faster!!
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:49 am
With all this moderation stuff, it’s kind of like watching a Japanese movie. My fingers are busy typing, but the words don’t come out until way later!
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:53 am
LOL! I am hardly a coach. I guess you aren’t as smart as you think you are. I am just a concerned parent and citizen who is tired of pieces of crap like yourself running down good hard working people who care about kids and spend their free time coaching them. They don’t have to coach. Like I said Butler, you are nothing but a con and a fraud and your time is about up. Instead of denigrating the coaches to your charges and usurping their authority, why don’t you work with them? Just admit it, its not about the kids but rather its all about your ego.
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Joanna says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Just a question here, guys — Are you having fun with the back-and-forth? If you are, great.
All I’m asking on this blog is not to throw out random stuff that some might consider slander.
If you have proof that someone is taking illegal supplements, then that’s a story and you can reach me at 316-268-6270. If you have proof that a school is recruiting, again, 316-268-6270.
If you guys like the banter, fine. But be adults, please? The nasty personal attacks are, frankly, boring.
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I feel like I was just in an episode of “The Twilight Zone”!
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
The show or the movie?
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Jo…did you get hit in the head this morning with a toy bat? My comments evidently got misconstrued and taken way out of context!
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LLleagueFB says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I have coached little league football for 18 years in this city. This man is simply trying to help kids get better period. I have learned different drills, exercises and have taken some of his knowledge and try to apply it to my style of coaching. As many coaches do whom ever it may be. To get better as a coach you take from other coaches there ideas and knowledge. Leave this guy alone and let him do what he is good at and that is helping kids maximize there full potential. I respect this man and truly believe in what he is doing. His passion is unmatched. Let me also add that there are (2) coaches in the little league ranks right now that I have no doubt that could be head coaches in the city league and be very successful in do time. Jared Page, and Kirk Westmoreland Props to Wichita Cowboys organization and coaches heck of a good year Im out
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
How about…How about you?
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Man, I got caught in the middle of a infamous Butler conversation…I don’t know how? It just happened and now I’m feeling like I’m being made out to be a bad guy, Jo!
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Brian Butler says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Don’t you think the NCAA would have proven that I was a con and a fraud? Are the results a con and a fraud? Are the players a con and a fraud? Are all the parents a con and a fraud. Or are you secret skinny man, a con and a fraud?
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Jo, lets start this whole thing over. How are you Jo, I’m JJFlash! Lovely weather we’re having. Congratulations on your most recent award you’ll be receiving in Dec. up in OP.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I know I am not an ex-con, are you? Are you talking about the same NCAA that is still investigating Reggie Bush? Come on Butler, don’t you have an illegal recruiting visit to plan out? Which coach are you gonna run down today? Cut any rap records recently?
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Voice of Reason says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I have avoided posting on the board for time and I have found I am happier because of it. I have been a vocal critic of Butler but I have come to the realization that if parents are willing to send money his way that is their business- caveat emptor. What riles me Butler is the way you and your supporters run down coaches in the city. I struggle to find a cause? They wouldn’t hire you as an assistant? They don’t kiss your feat? You have no CL athletes in your stable and you blame them for that? What is the cause? I’m surprised a former Cl athlete wouldn’t have more appreciation for the job these men do that quite frankly, most suburban coaches would not do. The CL coaches have to do so much more than just coach based on the truly horrible home lives these young men have. Parents in jail (or dead), parents who kicked the student-athlete out of the house and now they are essentially homeless. Students with no money for pay to play. No parent support what so ever. have you been to parent night at a Cl game? Contrast that with a parent night in the burbs. I’m not knocking any suburban coach as there are many great ones out there but don’t equate the job one of them does to what a coach in the city does. And why aren’t there more CL kids in the PP stable? I’ve heard you talk proudly about your sliding scale “Pay what you can”. You have talked at length about how you are here to provide help and guidance and notoriety to the kids of Wichita yet you chase money to the burbs. Attack your critics, hell attack me, but don’t attack the coaches who do more every day to help the truly needy and often lost young men that make up Wichita public schools than any coach out in “white flight” land would ever do.
Joanna- You know and interact with these coaches on a regular basis. How about sticking up for them as well as I am sure you know as well as anyone the noble work they do.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
You know very well they won’t stick up for the coaches. Its like Butler has them in his pocket.
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Joanna says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Voice — I really try to stay out of the hot topic areas because there’s usually so much vitriol that I merely go in to try and cool it off.
Wow, How — I was answering the question as you responded. But if you’ve been on here long enough, you know I stick up for coaches.
As for my interactions with coaches, I know the majority of coaches are dedicating themselves to improve their athletes, get their athletes scholarships and help them become better citizens. And it’s not necessarily in that order.
I don’t care where the coach is, big, little, powerhouse or not. If you’re coaching, you’re looking out for your kids. I know how little the coaches make monetarily, I know the hours they put in, I know the duties they have, I know they teach as well, I know they that there’s so much more that they have to deal with than just x’s, o’s and games.
There’s parent issues, sad issues, grade issues, etc. It’s a lot, and it drains so many.
But they do it because they love it.
Is there a place for folks like Brian Butler? Of course. People are willing to pay — that’s why there are personal trainers and big corporations geared to it.
Can they work in harmony? That’s up to both parties.
Trust me, I’m in no one’s back pocket. I have my own mind and I’m free to express it.
If you think I am in someone’s back pocket, feel free to call me at 316-268-6270.
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Not Skinny says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Brian, a serious question, if I might.What coaches in the City League do you have a good relationship with?
I’ll hang up and listen off the air(I’ve always wanted to say that!)
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Brian Butler says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
The reason I am so hard on some coaches is because I talk to the kids and parents who play for them, and get their feedback on what’s going on in their programs. In most cases it is very disappointing. I don’t chase down anyone, and am available to everyone. Actually since the last time I posted on here, which was probably last year; I am training a lot more guys from Wichita. Not as many as I would like to help though. Coaching on the field is just one small piece of my issues. My major issue is low accountability for academics and social behavior that the city kids are held to. Ive seen coaches step in when a kid is close to becoming ineligible for football, but any other time they let it go. I’ve also seen coaches care more about kids playing than graduating. I’ve been blessed to have parents and kids who care about the big picture, and are willing to work to get it.
Basically, city coaches need more help; but some have too much pride to ask for it. And, no I’m not an ex con, and yes I have busted a rap lately. But, it was most likely a Christian rap verse or something to build the self esteem of others. Probably something that you would care for, How about….
This Friday on my podcast I will discuss some of these issues and some resolutions that we could put in place to help. potentialplayers.com.
Also, I agree with a previous post and, I have seen some great little league coaches who I would love to see at the high school level. It’s a fact that some are better coached than some of our high school teams.
I’m out. Taking another year break. How about….Go Coach him up!
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Brian Butler says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Not skinny, I fell I have a positive working relationship with Schuckman, Brack, Beason, Guzman and before I read the New York Times article, I thought I had a good one with Byers too; but I saw different by his words. And to be honest with you, Ive never met the coach at West, and no coach has ever told me to my face that they have any issue with me. But, I’ve heard some whispers of some talking behind my back. That wouldn’t stop me from helping any kid in their program, because I don’t hold grudges against anyone. I do believe if we could work better together we could help many more kids sign 4 year scholarships, and that has been my goal since day one. But, I will be honest about everything that’s going on and I wont brush it under the rug to make more money in my business. The facts are the facts, but it can get better.
Good Question.
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redcoalcarpet says:
November 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
kevin c wrote:
They put in rules to stop the really blantant (sic) stuff from happening, but these rules also penalize guys like Butler who are trying to help kids get better and get to college. The Bryce Brown deal was a shame but thankfully it worked out. The Desmond Bryant thing at OSU is a crime too … takes a good kid and great athlete out of a program for what looks like a very small transgression.
I have to believe that if there was any wrong doing with the Bryce Brown deal it was an oversight on Mr. Butler’s and Bryce’s parents part.
As far as Desmond Bryant; there’s no other way to put it but he knowingly lied, it wasn’t a big deal until then! If he’s lying about that then what else is he lying about?? Sorry but integrity is everything and unfortunately he learned that lesson too late!
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KSFOOTBALL says:
November 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
“Joanna, I am with you on not ripping kids on this site or any other – its just not acceptable under any circumstances. But come on, you “have no problem with people talking about their own kids”. Being braggadocious on this site or through any other venue about your own kid is wrong. It puts undue pressure on the kid plus parents generally have an inflated opinion of how good their kid is. Talk about the team and talk about other players but not your own kid. If your kid is good, people will know it and will discuss it not to mention attention from media folks like yourself. ”
Bob”if” which it seems this is directed at me i have many posts rarely do they even include him and when they do usually its part of a something else and at most include correct stats. 95% of posts concerning D are NOT by me so im not sure how thats my fault. I talk about Teams most of the year and support ours %100. My son is extreamly grounded as well so i guess i dont really get any of your points .I guess im only allowed to mention every other player in the state ? If this site is for High School sports then to talk about teams,coachs and players seems to me exactly the right place.
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Voice of Reason says:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Yet another blanket statement aimed at all CL coaches (never any coaches from the burbs where you make your money). I guess everything is A-OK there. CL coaches need help? Well I’m sure running them down on a message board, or on your website, or on the radio, or to the parents that pay you is a great help to them. Keep up your Christian ways…
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KSFOOTBALL says:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
I cant count the number of posts i have read that i know are incorrect or not the whole story and when its a player or parent(not a public figure) i do what i believe is the right thing and not attack or slam a kid or parent on here. Im not trying to get any credit just pointing out that in my opinion theres a way to go about things.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Hey Joanna, your on Hovpen all the time about advertising on here how about you make the goof stop advertising his website as well.
I think you should open your own school Brian. You could be the teacher, coach, principle, athletic director. If I remember correctly Brian, you couldn’t hack it at Fort Hays State, did you get your degree at Butler County? If so, what was your degree in?
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kevin c says:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Joanna, I like the “nasty stuff”. Its not boring at all. If you haven’t noticed, this blog is flying along, not limping like most of the PC ones.
And, redcoalcarpet, you must not be a parent… all kids lie, particularly when they asked if they did something wrong and no proof is offered. Desmond is all of 19 years old. His lying is not a serious transgression. Some kids grow up faster than others. This will help him grow up but it is an awfully steep penalty to pay for attempting to cover up some pretty minor stuff.
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Joanna, if I didn’t know you were happily married with kid’s, I’d be alittle supicious of you always offering your phone number out there to complete strangers, saying call me.
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Cowboys 4 Ever says:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Dude its friggin Dez Bryant not Desmond. Holy Crap!
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
On a side-note. I broke into this topic of conversation …oh about 8 from the beginning and Jo it was all with good intentions to just congratulate you on your award, then things went completely south! I make one little innuendo about, I’m guessing now, a touchy subject and then people start in on the Butler thing and all … breaks loose! What the heck? Did find one thing out on how to get a post going though…bring up Butler or “roids” and people start coming out of the wood-work!
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JJFlash2b says:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
KSFOOTBALL, everyone seems to know your kid on here but me. Can you clue me in?
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SpinAway says:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Wow, that is a whole lot of information there. Lots of posts.
I would like to say that if someone feels they want to spend money on BB services, well fine, let them. I think these kids would be as talented with many trainers or coaches. To me, what Butler brings to the table is a knowledge of a recruiting system and the things it takes to get your kid through it. Others also have this ability, but if you don’t know those things, Butler is one guy to go to that could help you in that arena.
I think one of the issues that people have is when it is insinuated that Team X (name a team) would not be in the playoffs were it not for Player X (name a Butler trainee) being on that team.
Give props to Butler for what he does well, and that while he is trying to earn a living, he is also trying to improve the chances of each kid he is working with. I also recognize that each of those players have the skillls in place to make Butler look good too.
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How about... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
That is all fine Spinaway, if that is all he does. However, he is known for taking shots at hard working high school coaches, and usurping their authority with his charges.
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kevin c says:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Sorry, Cowboy, I’m a KU fan … Dez it is!
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Cowboys 4 Ever says:
November 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Its all good you are thinking of the other good wideout Dezmon Briscoe.
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Crack says:
November 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
How about, what’s the matter your kid didn’t get to play? Go figure you Liberal a$$ you probably told your kid it’s all about being fun and everyone should get equal playing time, Well at this time YOUR party hasn’t infiltrated the sports organizations YET but keep trying How about lifes like looking through ROSE COLERED GLASSES.
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How about.... says:
November 10th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
You must be smoking the pipe again Crack head. Its too bad dirtbags like yourself and Butler don’t get it. I am sure you and Bubba Butler can talk all the smack you want about other people but you would never say it to their faces. Go find a merry go around and spin on it loser.
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joanna says:
November 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Kevin — I know. I understand.
I love the debate. But I’ve read the same people writing the same things too many times.
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Brian Butler says:
November 10th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
God loves honesty. No USD 259 school has one a state championship in over 25 years. It’s a shame that no high school student(or anybody of legal drinking age) in the district has ever seen a state championship in one of the city schools. I don’t doubt how hard the coaches are working, but they may want to work smarter (Let those who are good at something do it, and dont try to do it all yourself). We have the most talented kids in the state and Dreiling has taken a program who had less talent and developed those kids and that program into greatness. He has given a roadmap to those who will take note. It’s just amazing to me how people with lesser talent can be more successful than those with more. That’s why I am frustrated with our coaches, that’s not taking shots at them those are just the facts(look at the list of players since 1985). I hope to see the city schools take some lessons from the great coaches that they have in their mist. Seriously this time, no more posts from me for awhile. I’m tired of the same people posting too. I’m officially out of the ring. Just for the record the year I was at Hays is the only year that we ever went to the NCAA DII playoffs, 13 TD’s(How about…that’s another one of my life stats for you since you bought my bio). Peace!
Go Heights! Win State!
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How about.... says:
November 11th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Good for you Bubba, you scored 13 tds at a second rate school. Did you graduate? Because, you know college is about academics first, football second. You can preach all you want about getting that precious D-1 scholarship, but it is what you do with that scholarship that matters. How many of those kids are going to play in the NFL?
You can’t help yourself Bubba, you want to spout off. By the way, did you train Arthur Jr. to be a special teams player on a sub-par ACC team? Just wondering.
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Confused says:
November 11th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Is Potential Players about winning State Titles or getting the kids scholarships. I am confused, Butler brings up Dreiling, but a good percentage of his kids don’t play college football.
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KSFOOTBALL says:
November 11th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Helping kids
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